Talk:Sayfo

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Requested move 27 May 2021

SeyfoAssyrian genocide – This page was moved in November, without a proper move request, after the conclusion that Seyfo was the WP:COMMONNAME (see entry on talk page here). As i concluded here, after the move, the search results included non-English results; Assyrian genocide is the WP:COMMONNAME in English (see previous link for search results). The user that performed the move to the current name realized that Assyrian genocide is the common name (see here), but pointed out that a section on the terminology is vital for the article if moved back, which do exist. I summarized the reasons for moving back here a month ago, without an answer. This will serve as the formal move request. Shmayo (talk) 14:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose As you can tell from Google Scholar searches, adding up the spellings of "Seyfo" and "Sayfo" (two transliterations of the same word) with the keyword "genocide" to filter out extraneous and non-English results [1][2] outnumbers "Assyrian genocide".[3] Google NGRAMS (English only) also shows that "Sayfo" and "Seyfo" are both (separately) more common than "Assyrian genocide" in its corpus.[4] (The spelling "Sayfo" is somewhat more common, so I would support a move to "Sayfo".)
  • Furthermore, the term "Assyrian genocide" is inherently biased as it is non-neutral term, as pointed out in previous discussions by Reldex, as well as scholar Sarah Bakker Kellogg: My default use of Suryoyo (pl. Suryoye), which I render in English as Syriac, rather than Assyrian, Aramean, or even Assyrian/Syriac, is inevitably fraught with controversy. No neutral choice is available (emph added).[5] In contrast, the terminology Sayfo/Seyfo is accepted by all factions of the ethnic group variously known as Assyrians, Arameans, Syriacs, etc. "Assyrian genocide" cannot be used per WP:POVNAME as it isn't used in a significant majority of English-language sources as required.
  • Recent scholarly books have used Seyfo/Sayfo instead and more inclusive language: Sayfo 1915: An Anthology of Essays on the Genocide of Assyrians/Arameans During the First World War (2018) and Let Them Not Return: Sayfo – The Genocide Against the Assyrian, Syriac, and Chaldean Christians in the Ottoman Empire (2017). (t · c) buidhe 15:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose, I fully agree with the arguments given by the user above me! A move to Sayfo would be OK. Reldex (talk) 01:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]