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    In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on January 6, 2021.

    Did Pelosi get told by Trump to have more guards/police/etc.?

    Did Pelosi get told by Trump to have more guards/police/etc.? Seems pretty notable if so. But I saw nothing in the article about it by searching for Pelosi. Misty MH (talk) 04:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a common falsehood that has circulated, which is why it's not in the article. See this fact check by the AP. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Misty MH (talk) 04:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or, no he did not. Slatersteven (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    POV

    I think there are some problems with this article’s neutrality.

    - It labels the riot as an insurrection despite the usage of that term being disputed.

    - It’s labeled as terrorism which, whilst it is an accurate description, isn’t used in the case of other riots.

    - Images showing the (justified and within protocol) use of tear-gas on the rioters were removed. LordOfWalruses (talk) 13:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    1. Trump was impeached on "incitement of insurrection". We do not label it an "insurrection" in wikivoice, but we use the terminology they used. A Washington Examiner op-ed from 2021 entered into evidence by House Republicans is not a neutral dispute of the term.
    2. The FBI has labeled this incident right-wing terrorism. If "terrorism" is an accurate description, then what's the problem? Other "riots" aren't relevant here.
    3. What images were removed? Got a diff? – Muboshgu (talk) 14:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      1. Ah, I see.
      2. Yeah I see your point and I think the usage of the term is fine. I just find it strange that “terrorism” isn’t used to describe other riots.
      3. Here’s the image that I believe was removed. File:Tear Gas outside United States Capitol 20210106.jpg LordOfWalruses (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Was that firced at them, or by them? Slatersteven (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To your first point, you should look at the sources. There is a plethora of past discussions on this talk page regarding whether it should be called an insurrection or not, and I will not re-hash those discussions here, because I also didn't support it being called an insurrection at first, but the majority of reliable sources call it an insurrection and as such we call it that too. To your second point, pages don't have to be consistent on Wikipedia, and inconsistency is not an argument to change one side or the other. If you have actual reasons to contest terrorism as a claim, feel free to present them (and reliable sources to substantiate them). But given you admit it is an accurate description, I don't think you do. If other riots have a plethora (or even majority) of reliable sources describing them as terrorism, please feel free to open discussions on their talkpages to include that descriptor on those pages.
    To your point on images.. it's hard to decide what images are encyclopedically relevant. I would consider it acceptable to start a discussion on what part of prose you think that image directly enhances the understandability of, and why it is better than other images that are currently (or could be) in the article. I'll note that the section January 6 United States Capitol attack § Attack on the Capitol already has a large amount of media (images, graphics, and videos) that leads to, at least in my current resolution/size, only about 10 paragraphs total appearing in part/full to take the whole width of the page. This obviously isn't a rationale for not adding more in its own, but the section is media heavy right now - so the onus is on you to recommend (likely in its own section) why you think this one image should be added, where it should be added, and what if anything should be removed. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I was the one who removed the tear gas image from the Attack section, mostly because the section was too media heavy and causing collisions, but also because that particular image was just a hair anachronistic to time frame under discussion, being taken later in the day. But it's a fine image, and I took the liberty of adding the image back into the article in a later section that had no media, which I probably should have done in the first place. Thanks for the suggestion @LordOfWalruses. Feoffer (talk) 01:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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