Talk:Fantasy (psychology)

Wow, this article could really see some improvement. For example covering the evolution of fantasy in people (as they e.g move into childhood), the relation of fantasy to imagination, biological and evolutionary reasons, etc. How fantasy have influenced culture, and so on. It's dwarfed by the article Fantasy about the genre with the same name, despite that genre being based in this psychological meaning. I'll try to remember to get back to this one if I find more time myself. :-) OK, this comment is nearing the article size now, so I'll stop here. ;-) -- Northgrove 11:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, on closer thought, some of these ideas may be better suited for the Imagination article, although I'd still like to see expansion on the concept of fantasy itself. -- Northgrove 12:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Issue[edit]

Is it just me or does the statement "Sexually speaking, men in particular[...]" imply that men and pretty much only men are susceptible to having fantasies of a sexual nature?
I realize that it includes "in particular," but it then goes on to explain that women are more likely to have these inspirational fantasies about succeeding in whatever they do (which is totally fine), and seems to drop the fact that both genders are perfectly capable to have sexual fantasies (whether or not they want to).
Either gender can have fantasies of either sort.
I, myself, as a male, can have very success-oriented fantasies inspired by many things. As with ANY fallible human, of course, I cannot stop sexual thoughts from coming, but I have the ability to stop them from affecting my life.
I, in no way, intend for this to appear sexist or anything of the sort. I am not accusing the writer(s) to be sexist. I am merely making an observation.
Thanks, Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the passage has any meaning at all, it means "male fantasies bad, female fantasies good". I consider it blantantly sexist and misandrist and think it should be deleted. Slackhurst (talk) 23:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the sources used for the Conscious Fantasy section may be useful, but may not be of professional quality. The page for Man and His Symbols states that it "is meant to be an introduction to Jung's theories and was originally written for a general audience rather than psychology students." Women on Top is described on its page as both a feminist analysis of female sexuality and erotic literature, and I question its credibility. The credibility of Life and How to Survive It may also be questionable; while author Robin Skynner is a medical professional, co-author John Cleese is a comedian, and the book's page describes the book as 'self help psychology'. Additionally, the lack of a consistent source for both genders' sexual fantasy descriptions does make the description sound slanted. Can anyone find a single source that can be used for both genders' fantasies? 96.35.101.151 (talk) 07:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

F/Phantasy[edit]

The uses of the two terms are not clearly differentiated or well explained in this article, making it extremely confusing. 75.154.191.176 (talk) 19:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It would certainly appear that way. It seems that a "fantasy" occurs when you want it to; in the conscious state of mind/being. "Phantasy" is the opposite of that, such as in dreams or not at-will; in the unconscious state of mind/being. ~~Maybe the difference between these two could be explained more in-depth if anyone can find a solid source to describe them.~~
Good catch, @75.154.191.176. Okay, so there's the link to "Unconscious Fantasy" (the actual article has a different title), but I think it would be nice to have a little bit of that here, too. Not a merge, but just some talk about it. I think this page could use some general clean-up anyway.
Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Kleinian object relations, phantasy refers to her (i.e. the Kleinian) conceptualisation of unconscious phantasy, whereas fantasy refers to a conscious variety of fantasy (e.g. schizoid or autistic fantasy). My understanding is that as well as being unconscious rather than conscious, phantasy has a broader sense than fantasy, and it basically describes the goings-on of the inner world which are not experienced consciously.

It's worth noting that while the spelling 'phantasy' was introduced by Klein, the Kleinian school was and is highly influential in psychoanalysis, so the issue of spelling is one worth considering - it's not just a mannerism used by the followers of a niche section of the psychoanalytic community. Anditres (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up?[edit]

I think this page could be cleaned up a bit... I'm not saying it has bad information, however.
I'm finding a lot of inconsistencies within the page in terms of quatation formatting. The quotes switch between '...' and "..."
"..." would likely be preferred by many readers, but I understand that '...' was common in many books, especially older ones. I have no idea if this is a region-by-region thing, but at least stay consistent.
Venku Tur'Mukan (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed[edit]

Definitely needs clean-up. Citations and references are not clear, there are inconsistencies etc. I'll try to do some clean up, as of now I just raised some in the page. Will fix them if noone else will. :) 81.175.223.151 (talk) 09:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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A redirect that doesn´t make sense can someone please do something about it[edit]

A link for the book by Klaus Theweleit, Male Fantasies (which doesn´t actually have page) goes here. StrongALPHA (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Edits[edit]

Hello! After evaluating this article, I have decided to work on the following: looking for sources to support the "Freud and fantasy" section, and adding more information to the underdeveloped sections "Narcissistic personality disorder" and "Schizophrenia". I do suspect that if I am not able to do much with what is presented already in those sections, I may revise what is already written. --Arise and Shine (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]