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Golden Rice was tested illegally on children in China[edit]

Source: https://www.nature.com/news/china-sacks-officials-over-golden-rice-controversy-1.11998

I believe this is controversial and should be added to the appropriate section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.132.255 (talk) 06:39, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioned in the Research section David notMD (talk) 08:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amount?[edit]

Lead says 144 g/day and the VAD section says 75 g/day. Is this a conflict, or an adult versus child thing? David notMD (talk) 08:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proper noun?[edit]

This article alternates between Golden Rice (proper noun) and golden rice (common noun). Sources are mixed as well. We should pick one and be consistent. I would lean slightly toward Golden Rice to differentiate from other rice that has a similar color. Also, the article mentions Golden Rice 2 which would look strange lowercase. –CWenger (^ • @) 17:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could we make the diseases listed in the intro links?[edit]

E.g. xerophthalmia Scientelensia (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. –CWenger (^ • @) 15:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Scientelensia (talk) 16:25, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2024 case in lead[edit]

Hi TadejM. I noticed your recent edit here. I disagree that the 2024 case should be mentioned in the lead as this places undue emphasis on a single court case. There's also the risk of implying a false balance on what exactly the scientific consensus is on the status of golden rice, which is that it is safe. This is why I moved content earlier about the case to its own section in this edit. Your thoughts? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should also be careful with language like "accused" per MOS:CLAIM. I'd suggest rephrasing this to In 2016, more than 100 Nobel laureates signed a letter stating that genetically modified crops such as golden rice are safe and described Greenpeace's stance on the matter as misleading. Or something of that nature, I'm not particularly picky. I just think the current language isn't ideal. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Clovermoss. Thanks for the comment. I agree with the move of details to a later section but consider it necessary to mention in the lead see since this court decision has wide ramifications for the crop. The court specifically mentions "lack of full scientific certainty". This information can't be objected based on an open letter from 2016 and I would find it undue balance to leave it out. Regarding the word accused, it seems fine to me since the text reads "They have misrepresented [GMOs] risks, benefits, and impacts, and supported the criminal destruction of approved field trials and research projects." Saying that somebody supported a criminal act sounds like an accusation to me. --TadejM ^{my talk} 22:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My argument is that it's just one country and that it seems like undue emphasis to focus on the Philippines specifically and by extension, a single court case. Keeping it as written is also somewhat misleading as without further context, one might conclude that this case's conclusion about "scientific uncertainty" is that GMOs aren't safe, which is demonstrately against the global scientific consensus on the matter. Hence why I don't think this belongs in the lead at all. The vast majority of other countries approve the use of genetically modified crops like golden rice. I also think it's possible you're misunderstanding what I was implying about MOS:CLAIM here. We shouldn't be using words like "accused" in wikivoice, even if you think it's an accurate way of describing the situation. More neutral language like "stated" or "described" is preferable, as indicated in the site's Manual of Style. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Philippines were the first country to approve the commercial cultivation of golden rice and the first one to ban it, which seems notable to me, as it implies that the crop does not live up to its promise. According to the court, which is a reliable source, "it said conflicting scientific views gave rise to "severe" health and environmental safety concerns."[1] Regarding the word accused, per MOS:ACCUSED, "alleged and accused are appropriate when wrongdoing is asserted but undetermined." -TadejM ^{my talk} 23:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ACCUSED is about describing suspects of crimes, not general statements, so I think MOS:CLAIM is more relevant here. As for implies that the crop does not live up to its promise, that's your opinion. If you go to the specific section about this over at Golden rice#Rejection, you'll see more information about this decision and how it's been criticized for putting the lives of thousands at risk. Anyways, I still think the information you've included is undue and that this juxtaposition is misleading as written. I'll seek a third opinion on the matter and hopefully this will help settle our disagreement. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be a bit more clear about what I mean by requesting a third opinion, I have listed our disagreement here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I think this is the best way to go. --TadejM ^{my talk} 02:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]