Talk:Pretty Cure

List of Cures debate

So Dora again reverted everything just because it's NOT AS THE JAPANESE WIKI SAYS. Sometimes Over-reling on the Japanese Wiki is sometimes not the best way to get some information because if this [insert cure here] doesn't appear in All-Stars, its not official. Give me a serious break! If that how it is then were restricting a lot of other information that could be important, as in appearances.

It's plain downright stupid. Not including some cures and just over-relying on translating the whole wiki is not gonna work. If a cure appears in the anime and movies, they're official. NOT based on their All Stars appearances!!!--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

In your words, I guess that it relates to those "Pretty Cures" who aren't the part of "All-stars". If it means the crossover series, the "All-stars" would mean the "protagonists/heroines", in a broad way, "All-stars" mean the franchise of Toei, which they use in not only crossover movies but other card game, toy and books etc. This excludes other characters who have the alterego but don't represent the story (which means they are subcharacters), and there are many examples in Toei's Superhero Time or Digimon series, though it must be a bad feeling for fans (like some popular subcharacters who can't even be a superhero). I think it would affect if the introduction isn't with what the staff think.

BTW, the part I mentioned Japanese editors is that they did strict discussion in their talk page, and made the notes to tell what the definition is. Their answer wouldn't be correct (though they have some local information to use), but other wikis need same work to prove it. --Doracake (talk) 13:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

That is the reason why they shoudn't be excluded. IT doesn't always need to be All-Stars!--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 15:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I wish that no one....I mean please no one revert what I just added there. I spent a lot of time just making and adding a lot of new info in the List of Cures and then what, it gets reverted because none of the other Pretty Cures were in the ALL STARS FRANCHISE. Jeez! The All Stars franchise is a cross-over spinoff, it has some importance but basing it there is not the best idea!

The list should remain on what is written there, and please don't revert it since All Stars DOES.NOT.COUNT.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 03:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

In the last reply, I mentioned that All Stars franchise means what the staff use in official sources, not the characters with the same identity in the broad meaning. If it's only your personal "best idea" but no other reference usable, I may have to delete them later or report it. Whatever, I do think you have lots of dedication to this section, but after all as a wiki source it has to be credible and not misleading.

By the way, some notes you made such as fanart spoiler, joking or comparison, are not the necessary information to be used in wiki. Maybe you have to filter them as well. --Doracake (talk) 20:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Then what? Jeez it doesn't always need to be All-Stars only.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 01:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

? I thought the previous discussion already ends it already, unless you're not in "discussion".

Briefly, this section enlist mainly the protagonists from each story, and the other fighters who appear in those stories (as subcharacters) are created to fulfill the needs of plot writers. It could be the presumption of the staff as they only put the heroines in their promotion and products.

Again, if you're not giving acknowledged or referrable information but personal thoughts, your contributions would fail.--Doracake (talk) 21:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

That doesn't mean you should be like a god-mod or something and decide what should be added and what's not. It's not like you own every Pretty Cure Page in Wikipedia.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 14:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

You've confused me if you're not talking about the article itself but against person. If you're not in discussion and "decide what should be added and what's not" by yorself, your contributions would fail. I hope you understand this. --Doracake (talk) 02:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY GOOD SENSE AT ALL! I even can't understand your logic either!--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 05:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

My concern is if you're really in discussion. In your previous replies, I find it's hard to see giving references or viewpoints to discuss how to improve the article. If you're not in, your contributions or even replies would be invalid, so I hope you can calm down and think more.

If you don't have more opinions, I'd make edition to some of your contributions. --Doracake (talk) 18:25, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

WELL REVERT IT ALREADY! You know what, you're making me damn mad by God-Modding you hear. I'm just editing it and you always revert it for no good reason! Well THERE! You revert it to the most lamest version! HAPPY??? You just ruin all of my hard work and my day!--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Uh, I said I'd edit it if you didn't make replies in that time. As many reasons I explained, I didn't see you were giving reasons available references to explain your edits either. I believe your knowledge about this article, but "all of your work" don't necessarily mean it is acknowledged by other editors, audience and most important, the staff. I hope you can think about it and discuss before paying lots of works. --Doracake (talk) 21:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

PreCure series was never on Iranian Pooya TV. Iranian media cannot show girls with bare thighs. However I have double checked official farsi website http://www.pooyatv.ir and there is nothing about such series. I think incorrect data in english wiki page for IRIB pooya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIB_Pooya is the cause of this mistake. I don't bother correcting wiki page of an Iranian tv but Precure Page must be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.176.8.122 (talk) 10:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

List of Cures table

The table needs to be deleted entirely. It is a violation of several style guides to have a color-coded table, and it is just generally unnecessary and unwieldy. It takes up nearly a quarter of the page, it duplicates content in the individual season pages, and it's generally full of original research.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. People particularly interested in the characters can visit the relevant articles themselves. Although I am curious as to why the previous descriptions each of the series were removed, as they didn't seem to particularly harmful.Wonchop (talk) 00:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I removed it because there wasn't much use of the brief summaries here (also I removed them from the Super Sentai and Kamen Rider pages).—Ryulong (琉竜) 00:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd say the summaries are useful for those wanting a brief summary of each series so they can decide if they want to visit the relevant articles. Wonchop (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Well if anything they need to be cut down.—Ryulong (琉竜) 08:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm neutral with it. The original Japanese wiki did put it with public agreement, and it's an information of PreCure franchise/ all-star members. Though indeed we can check each series article individually, I don't think the table is necessary or needless. Doracake (talk) 05:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Just because the other wiki has it doesn't mean this one does.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Just exclude the tables completely if no one comes up with an consensus. End of story.--Blackgaia02 (Talk if you're Worthy) 02:57, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

No, in theory, if there is no consensus, then the change isn't made. That being said, I'm in favor of removal as well. I don't know how WP:Anime tends to handle things, but that sort of unwieldly chart is frowned upon in video game articles at least. Sergecross73 msg me 17:04, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The chart was added by an IP editor mid December and it was just accepted on this page. The only reason I initiated this discussion is because we now have a sockpuppeter who after being blocked for only 24 hours for edit warring on Sunday has made a brand new account to make the edits again, so we can now have a proper consensus saying "We don't want this table".—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, it seems like there's four against and one neutral, so removing would be warranted. Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Add a Merchandise Section

Is it better that we should compile all the merchandise of each Pretty Cure series in this page instead? Maybe that way it's easier to read and navigate and some merch like Bandai Hobby and Premium-related releases can be explained better.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources that discuss the merchandise as being important to the franchise then go right ahead. If you're just gathering information from across the internet to give a list of the different toys that have come out for each season then don't bother.—Ryulong (琉竜) 02:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Well the few important ones I do remember is Bandai collaborated with Kose last year for the Smile Pact Shiny Face Powder (Mentioned in the Smile PreCure page). Then before that, Bandai already been releasing S.H.Figuarts versions of the cures. But I still need some articles in the web for their individual releases.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

If you're just compiling a list of the toys don't.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

This is not important. Do not put it in the article or put it back into the individual articles where you took the text from.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I understand but seriously you need to lighten up for once. You have a personal grudge against me do you? If this is not required then ok but how you respond when you revert my edits comes off to be plain rude.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 10:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You need to assume good faith. I told you it was a bad idea but you went ahead with it anyway.—Ryulong (琉竜) 10:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I just got carried away, so sorry.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

• @Blackgaia, I don't see any evidence of Ryulong being rude here. Blunt and not warm and fuzzy, yes, but not rude. Just because he reverts your edits doesn't in and of itself indicate rudeness. It means he disagrees with you, as he's stated. As for the content dispute itself, you both need to work that out in the usual way. In other words, just because Blackgaia says something should be included doesn't mean it should, and just because Ryulong says something should not be included doesn't mean he's right, either.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • And that means will still disagree like Cain and Abel. Unless we grasp some fandom opinion which is unsacred to this site. I'll work with him he if lighten up.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes! PreCure 5 or Yes! Pretty Cure 5?

Since it's not likely to get any response on the article itself, I'm curious as to whether Yes! PreCure 5 should actually be called Yes! Pretty Cure 5, since it predates the "PreCure" romanization introduced in HeartCatch. As far as I recall, I don't think there's any romanization concerning that series. Wonchop (talk) 19:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

If there's English in the title then we use that. If we can't tell then we should stick with "PreCure" because "Purikyua" cannot spell "Pretty Cure".—Ryulong (琉竜) 03:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

PreCure vs Precure

Since the Japanese production seems to romanize the show's name as 'Precure' (with a lower case 'c'), as evidenced in the ED sequences for Dokidoki Precure and the New Stage movies, shouldn't we be using that over 'PreCure' (with a capital 'C') for all series that it would apply to (ie. everything past Heartcatch)? Wonchop (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

For now, I've just made it so that Dokidoki is now spelled as DokiDoki! Precure, since that's the only series so far that establishes a full camelcase spelling during its ending sequences. Wonchop (talk) 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Judging from Go! Princess PreCure's logo (which features all caps, but is written as "PRINCESS PRECURE" with larger letters for the capitals), it does appear "Precure" is the intended casing for all series that require it (ie. those that don't use Pretty Cure in its romanized title). Wonchop (talk) 13:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Season versus series

Looking to these statements present:

Each Pretty Cure series spans one movie per season as a side story except for:

1. the original series Pretty Cure, which had no movie
2. the second series Pretty Cure Max Heart, which had two movies
3. Yes! Pretty Cure 5 which has two movies within it's two seasons; Yes! Pretty Cure 5 and Yes! Pretty Cure 5 Go Go!

I find this a bit silly, how is YesPC5 an exception here? Whether we consider Cure5 and Cure5Gogo as 2 series or 2 seasons of 1 series, we still get a 'one movie per season' thing going on here, so I'm going to take that last part out, it's not an exception. All that's really happened is that MaxHeart got 2 movies to compensate for the first lacking any, and everything else is utterly balanced 1 film per season, far as I can tell.

Why is it that we would consider GoGo part of PC5 but we don't consider Splash Stars a third season of Futari Wa? Ranze (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

I totally agree. --EliOrni (talk) 13:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2016

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All dates on the table are wrong?

On at least my end, the dates are listed as being from 1994 to 2014, they're all off by 10 years. I thought to edit it, but the numbers on the editable page aren't wrong, which is really weird. I assume some mistake with the table itself but that's beyond me. 67.232.206.118 (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

They're PRETTY wrong, and i tried editing it, but my revision was denied :( 2804:29B8:500A:2BB8:C71:96C:7B75:8470 (talk) 03:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Other seasons on Crunchyroll

Delicious Party and Hirogaru Sky are also on Crunchyroll but don’t seem to be included in the list of seasons on Crunchyroll Lindsey123456 (talk) 03:28, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

"Pretty Cure" or "PreCure"?

Following up on the contentious discussion at Talk:Wonderful Pretty Cure!#Requested move 21 May 2024, think it would benefit us to decide whether we should use "Pretty Cure" or "PreCure" for the 66 pages, listed at Category:Pretty Cure, and here as it is my view that changing one page, but not the others will result in confusion to users and editors alike.

Presently, the Toei Animation page for the Pretty Cure franchise is inconsistent in naming, as is Anime News Network. The latter occasionally uses "Pretty Cure" (see here, here, here, here, here, here, and here), other times uses "PreCure" or "Precure" (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here), and sometimes uses both names interchangably (see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). Sean Gaffney's "A Case Suitable for Treatment", a source listed at WP:A&M/ORS uses "Pretty Cure". Others have used both, like Anime Feminist (see here (uses PreCure), here (uses PreCure), here (uses both), here (uses Pretty Cure), here (uses both), here (uses Pretty Cure), here (uses both), here (uses both), here (uses PreCure), here (uses both), here (uses both), and here (uses PreCure), to name a few sources.

There are many possible choices here:

Option 1: Leave pages at present names

Option 2: Use "PreCure" instead of "Pretty Cure" for all "Pretty Cure" pages listed at beginning of this RfC

Option 3: Evaluate the name of each page separately as to whether "PreCure" or "Pretty Cure" should be used in the page titles

I look forward to a productive discussion on this topic (whether you believe this RfC is warranted or not), which I'd say is needed, so that certain users don't try to be bold and change the page names on their own, without adequate discussion. Let me know if I should revise this RfC or fix it any way, as this is the first time I've done one of these, so I may have not done it exactly right. Historyday01 (talk) 20:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Survey

• Option 4 Article names should be based the common name used by the majority of reliable English-language sources. That means each series article should be evaluated individually, not as a group. Enforcing a "consistency" in series titles that does not exist in reliable third-party, English-language sources, is not supported by Wikipedia policies and guidelines. We don't demand that color articles use British or American spellings in their titles for the sake of consistency. On top of that naming a series article to "Pretty Cure" when not a single reliable English-language source uses that title is a violation of no original research policy, specifically WP:SYNTH. I also think that "reader confusion" over different series having different names is grossly overstated, especially since the main article gives both versions of the title in the main article. What I would consider confusing is someone looking up the current season as discussed in reliable English-language sources, "Wonderful PreCure!", and being surprisingly redirected to a different article title. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 20:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Isn't this basically option #3? I mean. If there isn't consistency in reliable third-party, English-language sources, then surely each page name should be re-evaluated. I have to disagree with you that "not a single reliable English-language source uses that title" because a number of English-language sources DO use Pretty Cure. There does not appear to be a consensus as to which one should be used, hence that's why this discussion began. The RfC I have proposed here has some support in WP:CONSISTENT ("To the extent that it is practical, titles should be consistent among articles covering similar topics."). Otherwise, I still believe that my comment about "reader confusion" is valid and not overstated. If we did go with option #3, my suggestion would be to at least add the alternative name as a redirect (if that isn't done already), and to discuss which one should be used, as stated in reliable sources.Historyday01 (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Option 2-ish: My general opinion here is that we should go by the text on the Toei Animation page unless it's clear from other reliable sources that the WP:COMMONNAME of a particular series is something different. So for our page about the entire series and most of the individual series we should use "PreCure", as that appears to now be the official title, and it appears to be a recent update so I wouldn't really expect older sources to reflect it. But for the handful of series that Toei still calls "Pretty Cure" we should use that name unless reliable sources clearly agree that one of them is called "PreCure".

(Also Historyday01 such a long RFC is gonna give the bot trouble, and also often runs into problems with WP:RFCNEUTRAL though I'd say you've navigated that particular pitfall pretty well. I'd phrase it as just a single question like:

Which of these should we call the magical girl series produced by Toei Animation and started in February 2024?
1. Pretty Cure
2. PreCure
3. Determine per page

And then put your examination of the issue in a Discussion section below the Survey section.) Loki (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that Toei Animation is inconsistent with naming. (The same issue has happened with Digimon before.) lullabying (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. That's one of the issues I ran into when doing some research into the franchise names. Historyday01 (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, I think phrasing it as a single question would be good, but I wouldn't use that formulation of the question, exactly. I think it might be too late to go back and revise the questions though, in the sense that people already replied to the previous formulation... If I had caught this sooner, then perhaps I could go back?Historyday01 (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Option 2 with a side of option 3. i.e. titles should default to Precure unless Pretty Cure is majority supported by sources. Thank you Historyday for compiling these references and making it clear the naming of the series can be inconsistent. Some crude Googling shows that Precure is the favoured term overall:

# Search Results	"pretty cure"	"precure"
animenewsnetwork.com/news	606	3100
crunchyroll.com/news	641	2520
Google Scholar*	150	81
Google Scholar**	75	51

* appended anime to search, ** appended franchise to search

I've also gone through and tallied mentions of the main series in animenewsnetwork sources here:

Pretty Cure vs Precure tallies, animenewsnetwork.com

Name Release Pretty Cure Precure Franchise - 12 14 Futari wa Pretty Cure 2004 5 2 Futari wa Pretty Cure Max Heart 2005 2 1 Futari wa Pretty Cure Splash Star 2006 1 0 Yes! PreCure 5 2007 0 7 Yes! PreCure 5 GoGo! 2008 0 3 Fresh Pretty Cure! 2009 2 4 HeartCatch PreCure! 2010 0 3 Suite PreCure 2011 0 2 Smile PreCure! 2012 0 5 DokiDoki! PreCure 2013 0 5 HappinessCharge PreCure! 2014 0 3 Go! Princess PreCure 2015 0 2 Maho Girls Pretty Cure! 2016 0 5 Kirakira Pretty Cure a la Mode 2017 0 1 Hugtto! Pretty Cure 2018 0 2 Star Twinkle PreCure 2019 0 2 Healin' Good Pretty Cure 2020 0 3 Tropical-Rouge! Pretty Cure 2021 0 3 Delicious Party Pretty Cure 2022 0 2 Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure 2023 3 2 Wonderful Pretty Cure! 2024 0 2 Tallies from the animenewsnetwork.com links provided by Historyday and: [1][2][3][4][5][6]

I don't think what I've assembled here is definitive, but I think it's clear enough that Precure is the most prevalent way to referring to individual series, and it is a toss up as to whether the franchise is better known as Pretty Cure or Precure. (sorry I don't know how to format this better) ― Synpath 03:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

maybe it can be both just move pretty cure franchise name to Pretty Cure (PreCure) then people know it can use two names Anime9000 (talk) 05:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I see what you are saying, but that is sort of the status quo right now, as the Pretty Cure page currently says, in the first sentence:

The Pretty Cure series (プリキュアシリーズ, Purikyua Shirīzu, also titled PreCure) is a Japanese magical girl anime franchise created by Izumi Todo and produced by ABC Television, Asatsu-DK and Toei Animation.

I'm not sure if naming it "Pretty Cure (PreCure)" would be helpful or confusing, as it says on WP:CRITERIA that "Redirects should be created to articles that may reasonably be searched for or linked to under two or more names (such as different spellings or former names)" and WP:COMMONNAME says "When there are multiple names for a subject, all of which are fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others." So, I think the present formulation could be good, and adding "(PreCure)" may violate WP:PRECISION ("Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that."), and likely WP:OTHERNAMES ("By the design of Wikipedia's software, an article can only have one title. When this title is a name, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph.") too.Historyday01 (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's what I had been finding too and it definitely is a toss up in terms of the franchise name. It does seem that PreCure (or Precure) is used more than Pretty Cure in referring to individual series. Thanks for assembling these tallies using ANN, Google Scholar, and Crunchyroll news. Historyday01 (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

@Historyday01: what is your brief and neutral statement? At over 8,600 bytes, the statement above (from the {{rfc}} tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for Legobot (talk · contribs) to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Media, the arts, and architecture. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)