User talk:GhostInTheMachine/2023

Two sets of books

Hello, GhostInTheMachine.

I was in the process of re-writing this page at the same time as you were editing it. If you would prefer, I will take a break so that we don't have edit conflicts due to making changes simultaneously. My first intention was to remove that anecdote as well! Let me know what you prefer, here or on the article talk page. I am posting this here first, to apologize if I disrupted your work on the article. FeralOink (talk) 16:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:two sets of books

Virtual Space (Text Editor)

I took some time to try to define Virtual Space for you, but I simply do not have the time to come up to speed on wikipedia editing. If you would like to assist and get this content added, then please do. Otherwise, the info will be just for you. Virtual Space is a feature that has existed as far back as Brief in the late 1980s. This is supported in Visual Studio (not Code), geany, sublime, notepad++, etc., etc., I use this feature extensively when making rectangular selections and moving text. Here's text I attempted to add. At this point, I'm done. Regards, Tribernia

Virtual Space (Text Editor) Virtual space: can move the cursor anywhere, regardless of literal line lengths. i.e., the cursor can move beyond the end of the line. Virtual space allows rectangular selection to be rectangular over all text. For example, without virtual space, rectangular selection fails since the selection is not rectangular: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2931520/137472294-6333109f-44bb-4053-9d32-7e589fa68112.gif And with virtual space, rectangular selection is always rectangular, and text is always inserted as a rectangular block. https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2931520/137472471-d06f55b3-0db1-4700-b4b1-e206e82cec07.gif Tribernia (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand what a virtual space is, but the Comparison of text editors article needs to define what the term means — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

“tabletop” or “table top”

Hi, I noticed you corrected a few of my articles’ short descriptions from “tabletop” (with no space) to “table top” (with a space). I thought the Wikipedia standard for games was “tabletop” based on tabletop role-playing games and Tabletop game, etc. Am I missing something? Thanks! Nodicenomasters (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. Over-zealous spell-checker. I have added tabletop to the dictionary. I could only find one article (Brindlewood Bay) which I just changed. Where are the others? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Cool thanks. There were 1 or 2 earlier in the week, but I can't remember where they are, and I think I changed them to "tabletop" already. Nodicenomasters (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I checked back through my edits for a complete month and found Visigoths vs. Mall Goths, but no others — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:42, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Cool thanks, that's probably all of them then. Nodicenomasters (talk) 22:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

United Reformed Church

Cambridge is equally in the United Kingdom. As a UK-wide organisation, it is entirely appropriate for a church belonging to the United Reformed Church be described as being in the United Kingdom, and you haven't provided any compelling reason for a change here. Please follow BRD guidelines and do not edit war by repeating your edit without discussion. Thanks. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 15:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Reverting My Edit On Bath School of Art and Design

Hi there,

You reverted my edit on Bath School of Art and Design, saying it was not constructive. All I did was say it was part of Bath Spa University, which makes it more informative and accurate (at least in my view). You also seemed to have used a "counter-vandalism" tool to revert it, which is kind of bizarre seeing that it wasn't meant to be vandalism. I get that you're new to Wikipedia given the banner up top, but can you explain this? Thanks in advance. Losipov (talk) 22:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Theoderic, Duke of Saxony

In the Theoderic, Duke of Saxony article, I think it means that he was leader in 743-744 (that is when he is mentioned as leader of the Saxons), the article List of rulers of Saxony says fl. 743-744. I was confused by it when I first read it. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 11:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Blue Origin Article Follow-Up

Hello!

I saw you edited the Blue Origin page. I've been editing it too because of the big NASA announcement on Friday and I really like Spaceflight pages because they are the coolest thing ever!!

I saw you removed Blue Origin as a Defense company. There are a few articles that talk about military's things and such so I assume they are a defense company. What are your thoughts on this?

https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-joins-u-s-military-rocket-cargo-program/

https://www.satellitetoday.com/government-military/2022/11/22/us-space-force-signs-crada-with-blue-origin-to-restart-certification-of-new-glenn-rocket/

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/5043517Z:US#xj4y7vzkg Señor Jakob (talk) 15:48, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Terry Garrity page

Terry is very much alive, and many of the dates and information you have listed for her are wrong. I'm in the process of fixing her page. You reverted my changes. Please put my changes back 206.194.209.103 (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Just a moment ... — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me}

Over to you — DoB needs a decent source (one says 1940s...) — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 19:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I know her personally, and she knows her birthdate. However, I couldn't find anything to cite. I don't remember if she mentions the year she was born in her memoir, but if she does, could we use that as the citation? 206.194.209.103 (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Frustrating when you have first-hand knowledge, but cannot use it in an article. The policy on reliable sources talks about a source being verifiable by interested readers. So, if the memoir states her date of birth and the memoir has been published, then it should be a valid source for such a basic detail — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Any luck finding a source? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 15:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

List of Scion vehicles

FYI, that vandal on that page is WP:LTA/LB2 (Lithuaniaball2) - they usually have Captcha usernames that end in the number 2 and vandalize car related articles. More info can be found on the LTA page I linked to in this comment. In the future it might be a good idea to report them to SPI; I filed a report there FYI. -- Prodraxis^talk_contribs 14:49, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:SDNONE

Curious about this edit. While the article title makes it pretty easy for someone familiar with the context to figure out the subject, it's not the same as the example in the guide (event plus date). For {{annotated link}}, the shortdesc would still be useful. Care to elaborate on your reasoning here? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

A Short description is not a definition and needs to be short. An annotated link is only a default description for a See also link. Most of the time, the See also description should be hand-written to reflect the reason that it is linked from that article. Different articles may have different reasons to link and so might need a different description — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 20:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been constantly bothered by the notion that when articles have short descriptions at all they are basically banal and useless. This unfortunately seems to confirm that... this is their purpose? Unsure what the point even is then. But cheers for the explanation, which should save me some time in future. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

They are, indeed, often boring, but they do have a purpose — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

WP:SDNONE on Four-thousand footers

Hi there, wondering if you could add context to this edit. I'm confused how this conforms to SDNONE or how to helps the encyclopedic value of Wikipedia. I'm also confused why the verbiage "List article of" couldn't have been removed from the short description rather than blanking it altogether. - Skipple ☎ 15:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Strewth! That is a while back. I have changed it to Mountains in New England over 4000 feet. The best solution may be to rename the article to List of mountains in New England over 4000 feet — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 15:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Understood, but disagree with the title change. The article, at least to my eyes, is more in-depth than a list article. - Skipple ☎ 16:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

How about renaming to Mountains in New England over 4000 feet? Less listish, more articley — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

short description for Gig

Would you like to explain why you think the short description you have chosen is a good match for the content of the article? Otherwise this is just a bit of a pointless edit war. The failings with describing it as a rowing boat are:

• (1) that the people who used it called it a "pulling boat" and would probably fall about laughing if you insisted it was a rowing boat. The terminology is explained in Rowing.
• (2) The naval version and most of the civilian versions were also equipped with sails.
• (3) Speed was the major characteristic of the gig.

ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Short description

Hi! Apologies for accidentally overriding a few of your short descriptions written to replace the very long ones - seems the short description gadget doesn't check for edit conflicts and we happened to be fixing the list at the same time :P Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 18:46, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

No worries, I tend to open a dozen tabs at once and then work through them all, which probably confuses the gadget as well. Thanks for sorting things too — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 18:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Short descriptions

Thank you for all the good work on improving short descriptions. You've already fixed most of those on my naughty list but I would welcome a second opinion on the final two. The titles really say everything that belongs in an SD; do we just leave the dates alone? Certes (talk) 09:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

William Fitzsimmons (Canadian politician) – How about "Mayor of Brockville, Ontario (1819–1894)", everything else is in the article title.
William Fitzsimmons (Northern Ireland politician) – The article title says it all so I would go with "Northern Ireland politician (1909–1992)" notwithstanding WP:SDDUPLICATE. You can't really have a bare date-range or "person (1902–1992)" . Using "unionist" will just make no sense to most people — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 11:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. Certes (talk) 12:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Two Valarmathi

You edited the page for Valarmathi N, isro scientist, winner of Abdul kalam award, project director risat, based out of Bangalore, aged 64 as having died. The cite was the death of valarmathi k, aged 50s, range program office , voice of isro countdowns

Two different people https://twitter.com/pradx/status/1698402163309875614?t=c3zYDmkrQDLGndheryTVqw&s=19

Isro has more than one Valarmathi

Please revert the edit

Barath s (talk) 23:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Others have dealt with this — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 21:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Wards of New Orleans

Could you please explain more about why you removed all of the short descriptions for the Wards of New Orleans and marked them vandalism?

Ktkvtsh (talk) 01:35, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:SDNONE – "... some article titles are sufficiently detailed that an additional short description would not be helpful ... In those cases, {{Short description|none}} should be used." In each case, the SD was "Ward of New Orleans" which is redundant, since the article title is "... Ward of New Orleans". The articles are not marked as vandalism. In two cases there are duplicate articles, which I tagged as needing to be merged — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 07:26, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Revert

Hello. I was wondering why you reverted this this edit. You mentioned that it wasn't constructive, but I don't really know why adding a short description wouldn't be constructive. Cheers, generalirius ^(Talk) 12:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:SDDUPLICATE — "... avoid duplicating information that is already in the title" — list of characters from the Star Wars saga is just a paraphrasing of the article title List of Star Wars characters

also WP:SDNONE — "... some article titles are sufficiently detailed that an additional short description would not be helpful ... In those cases, {{Short description|none}} should be used."

and — "... in some Wikipedia list articles; that default should not normally need to be edited."

The "Not constructive" is an automatic tag added by the RedWarn editing gadget

Thank you for wishing to add Short descriptions, and please do not stop, but in this case the original SD was fine — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 14:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Understood, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, generalirius ^(Talk) 20:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

G4 on Gulam Jilani (scholar)

Hello GhostInTheMachine -- Do you have a link for the AfD for this article? I can't find one. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Please stop inappropriate edits

Sorry, but your edits to the short description of Scanning Transmission Electron Microscopy are very, very wrong. If you want to make such edits you will need to first know a bit more about the topic. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ldm1954: WP:SDESC states that short descriptions should "be short – no longer than is needed to fulfill its functions effectively". Usually, short descriptions are less than 40 characters long; the current one is 104 characters long, far longer than what would be convenient and useful to read. In my opinion, GhostInTheMachine's short description doesn't seem to be technically wrong, although you could suggest a better version. Liu1126 (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

His description is technical nonsense. I will ponder something shorter, but at the same time it needs to be accurate. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I guess if all else fails, we could still use "Microscopy technique", since short descriptions don't have to be definitions. Liu1126 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

That fails the "disambiguation in searches" requirement in WP:SDESC Ldm1954 (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I have changed it to "Scanning electron microscopy using thin samples and transmitted electrons". This differentiates it from SEM & TEM while still being shortish (73 with spaces). It must be differentiated from those. If you want to suggest others I will tell you if they are wrong. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we could use "Microscopy using thin samples and transmitted electrons", getting rid of "Scanning electron"? After all, there's no point in repeating the title (WP:SDDUPLICATE). Liu1126 (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Nope, what you suggested is TEM Ldm1954 (talk) 17:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I have changed it to ""Scanning microscopy using thin samples and transmitted electrons" which is shorter and adequately correct. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's good enough. The software truncates off the "electrons" bit in the search box, but there's enough info visible already. Liu1126 (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

OK. If you want a second opinion on short descriptions within physics/chemistry/materials science give me a ping. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure thing. Thanks! Liu1126 (talk) 17:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Scanning transmission electron microscopy

Please don't "fix" redirects

Per WP:NOTBROKEN, there is nothing wrong with redirects. It is pointless to change {{shortdesc}} to {{short description}}, and it doesn't need to be "fixed". Also, per MOS:VG, short descriptions of video game articles should be "<year of release> video game". NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure, redirects are generally OK, but unfortunately, the use of redirects for the Short description template causes technical problems and so they really do need to be "fixed". See WP:SDNOALIASES — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Kocasu Creek (Hınıs)

There is a problem with the Kocasu Creek (Hınıs) page template. I don't know why. Can you help me? If I delete excess spaces in the Geography section, the font is distorted and the Gegraphy title appears vertically. I copied the Murat River template to this pageVartolu3566 (talk) 11:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Vartolu3566 (talk) 11:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Y — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 11:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Marco Polo revert

Hey I was wondering if what you did on the maro polo game page was a mistake considering that summer is when pools are out.

ChaseTOM4YT (talk) 17:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Are you talking about this? You added a comment about the game being popular and I reverted the edits as being unsourced — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 20:05, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

"Events in rail transport" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Events in rail transport has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 5 § Events in rail transport until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:31, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Missing context

Hi! Thank you for participating at the RfD linked above. I didn't want to get too carried away at that RfD about the "2009" ordeal because it was clear that it was a technical mix-up, and that everything would work out no-harm no-foul. I am curious though, as to what the "sore point considering yesterday's announcement" was, so I figured I'd ask you here as a veeeery side note. 😅 Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

The Evil One who is the current UK Prime Minister made the utterly disastrous mistake of killing the north end of HS2. Of course, others may have a different analysis of the event, but they are just misguided and probably Southerners — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

References

I see... that is definitely crazy timing. Thank you for the link ^^ 🙏 Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:52, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

9 October 2023

Please stop editing my page with pictures. Thank you Tim Rozon Trozon (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Please indicate what needs to be rewritten in Paul Idoko Eneche

Hi GhostInTheMachine, kindly point out areas that need to be rewritten in the article, Paul Idoko Eneche so attention can be focused on such areas. Best. Elefausty (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed short description

Hello, I see you changed a short description: I changed it to "β-lactam antibiotic", and you changed it back to "beta-lactam antibiotic". Is this just personal preference or am I missing something about special characters in short descriptions? Kimen8 (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, wasn't aware I was undoing your change. The beta symbol was seen as a lower case letter and as such the articles get listed in one of the error tracking categories, so I just "fixed" them. Also, the greek letter is not fully available on all devices (it should be of course) — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 13:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, that does make sense that the script would catch the lowercase β and tag that as a potential thing to fix about the short description. It not being available on all devices seems like not a thing to worry about, because if that were the case, the rest of the article body would be an issue as well. That being said, to prevent the article(s) appearing in categories that need looked at, I'll try to be careful about using "lowercase" letters as the first character of a short description.

Thanks for helping me see what was going wrong! Kimen8 (talk) 14:02, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

— GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Vale Do Amanhecer

I'd be interested in talking to you about Vale do Amanhecer, as I am currently here in Itumbiara, Brazil attending cultos at Templo Jenaro. 2804:389:A217:3FDC:0:25:616F:B001 (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Nigerian companies established in 2021

A tag has been placed on Category:Nigerian companies established in 2021 indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Why you reverted my pages

I am adding only authenticate updates. Bingotedha (talk) 11:42, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Which articles is this? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 13:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I have replaced the category in Education in India. Was that it? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 13:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Europe

Will you set to "none" as short description. See what I attempted edit this and this, because in some article titles are sufficiently detailed that an additional short description would not be helpful. 49.150.4.134 (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree that "none" is a valid SD for History of the Jews in Europe — I have set it to "none" — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 15:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! 49.150.4.134 (talk) 15:26, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

About Liuzi Temple

Hello, the previous coordinate match was completely out of whack. Since China bans Google Map and Google Earth services, most of the geographical information you see there is biased. You can check the information on OpenStreetMap and the new coordinates I chose are accurate. Thank you for your faith! Ansony89 (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Interesting! Is OpenStreetMap not also impacted by this? Is the Google mapping offset by a consistent amount? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 12:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

It looks like these offsets are random. Mostly because Google didn't correct this because they have already withdrawn from the Chinese market. Streets and satellite images on Google Maps or Google Earth basically cannot overlap.

OSM is a free, open geographic database updated and maintained by a community of volunteers via open collaboration. Contributors collect data from surveys, trace from aerial imagery and also import from other freely licensed geodata sources. So some users in China may have updated their map information here.

Take the city where I live (not a very huge city) as an example. I can only find two metro lines on Google Maps. This is data from almost ten years ago. On OSM, you can even see the metro lines that were just opened this year.

I don't know what the situation is like in other countries, but in mainland China, OSM's information is usually more accurate. Ansony89 (talk) 15:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have been working on random rivers, so I will stay with OSM for the location of river sources etc. Apart from the age of the Google maps, about how big is the largest displacement for basic geographical features? — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

GPS shift problem Ansony89 (talk) 06:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "Natalee Holloway (film)"

Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edit to Natalee Holloway (film) with the note that it was vandalism. Vandalism was not my intention—I mistakenly used a second "Short description" template in the infobox instead of a {{Plain list}} template. I see that have added your own short description to the article. Would you please be so kind as to allow me to re-implement the remainder of my edit? (Also, I note that you might want to remove the "new user" notice from the top of this page, as you now have more than seventeen years as a contributor and fifty thousand edits to your credit.) —DocWatson42 (talk) 03:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Intended or a typo, the effect was mayhem and carnage (well, some damage and an entry in an error category) so I simply undid the change. No problem with you having another go. I added the notice at the top of my talk page not that long ago – mainly a reminder to myself (and the very few other people who may see it) that there is always more to learn and to always keep that in mind — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 10:30, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you (done—as the notification will indicate), and I thought that the notice was old, not (however relatively) new. —DocWatson42 (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Short descriptions that are just wrong

Your second attempt at a short description for Garshunography is a little better than your first but it is still wrong. What you have described is transliteration. The origin of the concept is with a Coptic practice: they had a (living) coptic script but chose on occasion to write a Coptic language text using Arabic script. The fundamental point is that choice, not the mechanics (which is what your version describes).

A fundamental design error was made when the short description concept was first specified, to limit it to the technical capability of iPhones at the time. That is why we have the silly 40 character limit. Most of the time, a decipherable telegraphese text can be made within 40 characters that has some connection with reality, but sometimes the effect is so misleading that quite frankly it is better to have no SD at all. This is such a case.

When SDs were only used for searching by the app, your version is good enough to tell familiar readers that yes this is the topic they wanted. But many See alsos now use {{Annotated link}} to give readers a clue as to what makes an unfamiliar topic worth exploring. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

A7/G11 on Sutarla

Hello GhostInTheMachine -- Just a quick reminder that A7 is only for articles on a "real person, individual animal, commercial or non-commercial organization, web content, or organized event", not for products. (I've deleted it G11.) Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 09:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Budget short descriptions

Oh dear, I should have looked at the edit history first. Do check through some of the previous years though because similar descriptions have been added (which was what prompted me to add them). I know October 2021 United Kingdom budget has one. This is Paul (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Just changed a few more to none. Think I've got them all now. This is Paul (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

1 December 2023

@GhostInTheMachine, Good morning and have a pleasant day. Please You can move the page name from Maitraka to Maitrak. The main problem is that sources generally mentioned them as Maitrak and only few of them mentioned as Maitraka, therefore if you can move the page, I'd be grateful, as I attempted but was unable to do so. 2404:3100:1880:7FA6:1:0:4045:1EA6 (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hwang Ye-ji moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Hwang Ye-ji (1). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources and see Draft:Yeji (singer) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeji (singer). I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Lightoil (talk) 00:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Short description

Any special reason why Downtown Louisville's short description needs to be different from that of Downtown Indianapolis? It is not just a district. It is a central business district. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, changed Indianapolis as well. A Short description should be short – see WP:SD40. Central business district of Louisville, Kentucky, U.S. (55 characters) is too long, but District of Louisville in Kentucky, US (38 characters) is fine and still "correct" — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 08:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

40 is not an absolute maximum per WP:SD40. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 08:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course 40 is not a hard limit, but 55 is completely unnecessary in this case. "Area" or "District" is sufficient — these places are a district within a larger city. Remember WP:SDNOTDEF — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

We also should not shortchange readers. I am not suggesting a full definition be placed in the short description, but 'district' is a far cry from "central business district", and nobody is harmed from the few extra characters. Readers should know at a glance what the article is about, and 'district' doesn't go far enough. I'll be happy to accept the results of an RfC on this matter if we need to go that route. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 09:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

We are not hiding information – interested readers can read the article itself. "District" really is sufficient for the purpose of a Short Description. However, life is too short for an RFC, especially since we both know we are correct :-( — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 09:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I see said the blind man that saw 2001:56B:9FE8:D618:7040:59FB:CACA:336 (talk) 14:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)