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LaVerne Krause[edit]

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"when full dates appear elsewhere in article, years are sufficient to provide context"

That does mean mean that using full dates is incorrect. ALMOST ALL pages about individuals start with full dates here. We are given an OPTION, not being mandated a rule. Unless you can give me a better reason for not changing it, I intend to add the full dates back. Braintic (talk) 19:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Braintic, I've place a "citation needed" tag next to the birth date listed in the infobox, and you may have noticed the footnote (a) next to the date of death listed there. In general, because the lead paragraph is a brief, summarized overview of content in the article, the lead seldom has footnotes which would duplicate footnotes already present in the rest of the article. In this instance, the date-month-year format in the lead would need to be accompanied by the cn tag for the birth date, and the (a) footnote for the death date, resulting in too much clutter for the lead. If you can produce a source citation for the birth date, I would not object to your preferred listing of the full dates. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Northwest High School (Mcdermott, Ohio)[edit]

A few years ago, a public high school from Ohio was deleted due to notability concerns at WP:AFD. I am convinced that this school is notable, but it has been a bit of a pain searching Newspapers.com for sources. Is there anything you can do to help? Thanks. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scorpions1325, I found a few sources, including some for "McDermott Northwest High School". Fun facts: the athletic field is named for Roy Rogers, (not a grad, but a famous local) as noted in this article: Happy Trails, and one of the alums became Miss Ohio in 1995. Obviously these are not substantial coverage, but here are a few more sources:
And, the high school building image is still on Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Northwest_High_School,_McDermott,_Ohio.jpg
There is not now a district article for Northwest Local School District (Scioto County)., so that's one to add to your to-do list...
Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! I am not sure where the appropriate venue to go is, considering that this was the deletion discussion. Scorpions1325 (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, there's no WP prohibition against using the same article title as one that has been deleted. However, two other article titles may also be appropriate: either "Northwest High School (Mcdermott)" or perhaps "McDermott Northwest High School", which is commonly used by local press sources, but is not by any official school sources.
You are welcome to use the code format I set up to draft school articles at User:Grand'mere Eugene/sandbox2. Once you have a satisfactory draft, just use the "Move" function on the "Page" tab at the top of the draft article. Let me know if you need help.
Or: Be WP:BOLD! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, here are a few more sources from Portsmouth Daily Times:
However, the newspaper only allows access to 2 sources before imposing a registration or subscription. I was able to see the third source on a second device, but apparently permission is only granted for a single day, as I couldn't see the first 2 today. It may be worthwhile tojust accept free registration. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have anything sourced to the Associated Press or a distant city? Scorpions1325 (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, but non-profit educational institutions are not required to meet WP:NORG: The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams. Public schools must meet WP:GNG, which does not require regional or national sourcing. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Aoidh, I know you are busy, but I know you are knowledgeable about this topic. Scorpions1325 (talk) 21:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scorpions1325, please let me know what concerns you. I'd like to understand. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At a recent WP:AFD I provided similar sources, and an editor accused me of only providing WP:PRIMARY sources. It is at [[John Marshall High School (Richmond, Virginia)]. It does seem that I have convinced them to vote !Keep though. Scorpions1325 (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see if I can work on this article some time today. Scorpions1325 (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BLP - Woman Real Estate CEO[edit]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, I noted your expertise in BLPs, especially those focused on women, and was hoping that you might take a few minutes to look at a draft I'm working on for MaryAnne Gilmartin. She is an NYC-based real estate developer and the founder of MAG Partners. I have a conflict of interest, so would love to collaborate if you have the time! Thank you! AK for MAG (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AK for MAG, Your draft looks promising, with profiles from WSJ, Forbes, and NYT. With your permission, I will move it first to Draft:MaryAnne Gilmartin (where I and other editors can also contribute to it), and then can provide revised urls for some of the articles that are behind paywallss, to make them accessible at least to editors with access to The Wikipedia Library. Just let me know I have your permission to move it out of your user subpage. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grand'mere Eugene, thank you for reading over the draft and offering to work on it further! Your suggestion sounds great - I look forward to further input from the community! Thanks! AK for MAG (talk) 13:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Editor's Barnstar
Thank you for addressing my concerns with International Student Exchange, Ontario. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while[edit]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, I hope you are well, it's been a while and not sure if you remember me over at WikiProject Schools (I'm one of the coordinators there), I remember we did some work together on some of the school articles :)

I have done substantial work on the Wellacre Academy article over the years, especially when I started working on it in 2019 as I am looking to bring this up to GA status. I came to a bit of a hiatus when I was unable to find anything else online despite the time-consuming search effort via search engines and news websites. It's nearing completion and I have added some more things lately, but I'm still at the same problem of not being able to find anything else online about it's history especially during it's opening that I can add to the history section that would bring this to completion - the issue being I believe this school was a secondary modern school and it opened as this type of school, but without a source to say it definitely was, I don't want to add that in,

I also don't know if the school had any other names besides the two former names I have mentioned which is "Wellacre Technology College" and "Urmston Wellacre County Secondary School" (according to source the school opened as this name), but in another source which was mainly about a teacher that retired (I used this reference to source the specialist status info that's also in the history section), it says "He was a fresh-faced youngster in short trousers when Wellacre High School was being built". What confuses me is that I don't think this school was ever called Wellacre High School, if the school opened as Urmston Wellacre County Secondary School then it cannot have been called Wellacre High School when it was being built, or maybe this was the name of the school later on as secondary modern schools were replaced in most of the UK as comprehensive schools, therefore it could be it became Wellacare High School after changing to a comprehensive school but without a source to say this, I can't add that,

I was wondering as I know you have access to Newspapers.com and we have done work together before, would you be able to search Newspapers.com for me for any news articles on Wellacre with its various names and see what comes up? Anything on it's history, its opening and anything else you can find on there, I did a search (without an account) and it seems to indicate there are matches available there. Please let me know, your help will be greatly appreciated,

Thank you, Steven (Editor) (talk) 06:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went and checked the oldest Ofsted report that I can access on the Ofsted website from 2002, and the report says the school is a secondary modern school but has the name of the school as Wellacre High School. Now this confirms it was a secondary modern, but no idea when it became Wellacre High School and if the school opened as a secondary modern school; I do think whatever is on Newspapers.com might provide some clarity, I hope Steven (Editor) (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear from you again, Steven (Editor)!
I've listed sources from newspapers.com on Talk:Wellacre Academy. There were some inconsistencies in the dates for the various school titles, especially in the period it became a boys' school.
I didn't find anything yet referring to it as secondary modern school. Were there any earlier Ofsted reports available? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the sources are not necessarily RS, especially the classified ads, which may have been placed by school employees or parents helping with the jumble sales? There is quite a lot of variation, especially during the time it was a boys' school. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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