Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/土城
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 06:45, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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English Wikipedia pages should not use Chinese characters in their title per WP:NCZH. Also, this is a duplicate of Tucheng (disambiguation), which is more extensive. SilverStar54 (talk) 03:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Disambiguations and China. SilverStar54 (talk) 03:32, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Withdrawn by nominator: decided to create a broader discussion for deleting all pages in this category. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- I said this in another AfD recently, but Category:Disambiguation pages with Chinese character titles (384) is not a death sentence. Quoting the category page: The following disambiguation pages contain Chinese characters in their titles. They serve to disambiguate articles subjects that may be referred to by the same name when written in different Chinese character sets such as Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, Kanji, Hanja, Chữ Nôm and Sawndip.There's nothing in WP:NCZH that says dabpages can't use Chinese characters in their titles, and indeed it is standard practice when there are different pronunciations based on what language is using the characters. If Toseong station is deleted, you'd have a valid rationale here. Folly Mox (talk) 03:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- Huh. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, I didn't know that. I guess there's no real harm in these pages existing, the use-case just feels baffling. (The mind wanders: Do people really use these? How often do English texts include Chinese characters without at least a transliteration? Wouldn't someone be able to use Google Translate to get the appropriate transliteration for the language they're looking at? Are there really situations where someone who knows how to type Chinese characters isn't able to guess from the context whether they're looking at Kanji, Hanja, or Hanzi?)
- Philosophical ponderings aside, it sounds like this is settled policy so I'll withdraw my request. SilverStar54 (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- I honestly agree with you about what the actual use cases are. I'm thinking it's people who have some website open they can't read, don't know about or predate google translate, and copypaste into the Wikipedia search bar. Considering how many of these have been popping up at AfD recently, it might be time to have a fresh conversation about whether or not this category should be a "death sentence", to borrow my language from above. I'm philosophically neutral on whether this should be a valid type of dabpage, but I'm of the mind that they should either all stay or all go. Apologies if I came off a bit cross in my initial comment. I'm sure it was feelings about something else. Folly Mox (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- That makes sense. I'll start AfD for this group of articles. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- I honestly agree with you about what the actual use cases are. I'm thinking it's people who have some website open they can't read, don't know about or predate google translate, and copypaste into the Wikipedia search bar. Considering how many of these have been popping up at AfD recently, it might be time to have a fresh conversation about whether or not this category should be a "death sentence", to borrow my language from above. I'm philosophically neutral on whether this should be a valid type of dabpage, but I'm of the mind that they should either all stay or all go. Apologies if I came off a bit cross in my initial comment. I'm sure it was feelings about something else. Folly Mox (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- I said this in another AfD recently, but Category:Disambiguation pages with Chinese character titles (384) is not a death sentence. Quoting the category page: The following disambiguation pages contain Chinese characters in their titles. They serve to disambiguate articles subjects that may be referred to by the same name when written in different Chinese character sets such as Traditional Chinese, Simplified Chinese, Kanji, Hanja, Chữ Nôm and Sawndip.There's nothing in WP:NCZH that says dabpages can't use Chinese characters in their titles, and indeed it is standard practice when there are different pronunciations based on what language is using the characters. If Toseong station is deleted, you'd have a valid rationale here. Folly Mox (talk) 03:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/樂天 was overturned at WP:DRV, and two other recent Chinese-character DAB AfD's were closed as keep. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:43, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- comment This article had a duplicate AfD tag. Never seen that before. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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