Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atony (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Glossary of medicine#Atony.—S Marshall T/C 13:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Atony[edit]

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This was discussed at an AfD 5 years ago, but I think it's time to revisit that discussion. After looking for sources I don't think it'll be possible to expand this beyond a dictionary definition. There are plenty of sources for uterine atony and some for gastrointestinal atony but none for atony as a topic in its own right. Happy to be shown otherwise. Ajpolino (talk) 03:23, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Ajpolino (talk) 03:23, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder, Srleffler, and Tom (LT): pinging participants in the former AfD. Also as a small correction the past AfD was now 6 years ago. How is it already late 2021? Ajpolino (talk) 03:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Keep There's no need for another discussion because AFD is not cleanup. This is clearly a significant medical matter and, as it affects a variety of organs in a notable way, it's a reasonable general topic per WP:BROAD. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Responding just to say as best I can tell the general topic is hypotonia. I don't think writing a broad encyclopedia article on atony would be possible. There just aren't any sources, since the medical establishment doesn't seem to consider it a phenomenon in its own right. Ajpolino (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hypotonia affects the entire body whereas atony commonly refers to a particular organ such as the bladder. Medicine is complex and so there is naturally much to say and explain. The encyclopedia is not improved by arbitrary excision of small pieces purely because they are small. That would be mutilation. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agree with Andrew's reasoning, and in addition, atony is indeed a medical condition that exists in its own right, thereby passing WP:NOTE, WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC, and WP:CAT. I added one quick source to the original page, but I'm sure there are others in the medical literature. -Tiredmeliorist (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, I don't think atony is a medical condition in its own right. Or at least I can't find any sources discussing it as such. Can you? If someone had a condition where their muscles had no strength (as the dictionary you linked suggests) we would call that Flaccid paralysis. The more general phenomenon is Hypotonia. Atony isn't really a thing to describe. It's just a word that means "without tone". Ajpolino (talk) 17:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete is my first preference as this is a just a dictionary definition. Convert to a set index /disambig page would be my next preference that can link to Ajpolino's suggestions. Tom (LT) (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to dab or set index page since that's what it basically is: dictionary definition followed by a list of applicable topics (Hypotonia, Muscle weakness, list of organic atonies). I concur that this is never going to become an encyclopedic topic. No such user (talk) 08:48, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article can be expanded in the future, deletion is not the right decision. Mehmood.Husain (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Here's an idea, Andrew Davidson brought my attention to Glossary of medicine at another AfD. Perhaps merging this into Glossary of medicine would be a better outcome? For the folks who have suggested this could instead be expanded into a freestanding article, can you find any sources that consider "Atony" a topic in its own right (i.e. they're not just using it as a word to describe uterine atony, gastrointestinal atony, et al.)? I'm not asking you to do my job for me; I've looked and I can't find anything. If no one else can turn up anything, maybe we should consider the glossary merge? Ajpolino (talk) 13:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I added it, though I did not merge any content. Redirecting there seems like a good idea. TompaDompa (talk) 13:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.