Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Perry (translator)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Perry (translator)[edit]

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Original PROD rationale: Not enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. First source barely scrapes by, the latter half of the article is about the history of the award and not about Perry. Second source barely mentions him at all. No other sources located on a search.

De-PROD'd as: Deprodding; enough here to merit a wider discussion at AfD ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Language, Literature, and United Kingdom. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a keep per WP:CREATIVE:
- WP:CREATIVE.4 for receiving critical attention for their work, eg:
  1. 3 awards are noted in the article, including Oxford-Weidenfeld Translation Prize [1] and sv:Bernard Shaw-priset [2].
  2. Critical praise for translation including NYT [3]
- WP:CREATIVE.3, for significant contribution to Marcella, an English-language show where the original scripts were written in Swedish and translated by the subject into English [4]

—siro χ o 05:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Awards are only as good as the coverage that comes from receiving them. If there is no coverage of the receipt of the award, it hardly contributes to a claim of notability. That NYT article you linked barely mentions Perry - one sentence mentioning his name and saying the critic isn't even sure who to credit for the beauty of the sentences. It can hardly be said to be significant coverage of him or his work if the writer wasn't even sure who was responsible. The Broadcast article you linked mentions him only in passing, and does not focus on him. Again, hardly sigcov. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can't find sourcing about this translator. Gsearch is straight to book seller sites, wordpress and other non-RS. I don't seem mentions in Gscholar or Jstor. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There's really not much sourcing out there for this guy and I get the impression most is either offline or in Swedish. I decided to look at the awards and I think that this guy could pass WP:NACADEMIC based on the award from the Swedish Academy alone. The other prizes generally look good (at the very least not vanity awards) as the Oxford-Weidenfeld Translation Prize is given out by New College, The Queen's College and St Anne's College in Oxford, but the Swedish Academy trumps them all. I'd say that this award qualifies under criteria 2 of NACADEMIC easily.

The Swedish Academy is one of the Royal Academies of Sweden. It's also the institution that selects who wins the Nobel Prize in Literature. Per the Wikipedia article they give out about 50 awards per year and to be very honest, this is probably the biggest prize a Swedish-to-English translator could probably receive. I'd see an official award from them (not a grant or scholarship but an actual award) as the equivalent of receiving an Oscar or Emmy. You get an award from them because you're considered to be one of the best in your given awards area for the given year. As far as the selectiveness of the Academy awards go, I took a look at the list for the 2004 awards. I counted about 57 names, which includes the people who won the grants and scholarships.

I think what really hurt this article and its credibility is the fact that it really looked like a piece of promotional puffery at first glance. This is why it's so important to write in a neutral point of view because it can backfire spectacularly. In any case, I'd say he passes NACADEMIC. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:22, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as whether he passes WP:CREATIVE, I'd say he passes on that as well per the Swedish Academy award. If he were to win say, an Oscar for a screenplay he'd be notable on that alone and I view their awards to be on the same scale. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist to establish consensus through more participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 20:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per ReaderofthePack. It does appear that the Swedish Academy award would make them qualify under point 4 of WP:CREATIVE and point 2 of WP:NACADEMIC. Tollens (talk) 05:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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