Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hervé Stevenin

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The result was Keep.(non-admin closure)Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Hervé Stevenin

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Fails WP:ANYBIO. Insufficient sources to confirm notability on this biography. The sources listed are standard bios published by employers. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:31, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. Article needs improvement, some excessive details should be removed, as well as some self-published sources like Facebook which are not valid as RS, but the subject is notable. I could debate that the information sourced by NASA and ESA is not just a standard bio, but in any case, just a quick search uncovered multiple reliable sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.--Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 07:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
• Keep per the sources pointed out by Crystallizedcarbon. Although not an astronaut, this highly experienced person involved in astronaut training for decades is notable enough for a biography in this encyclopedia with 4.6 million articles, including many about far less accomplished and important people. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Keep agreed that this person is notable enough for a biography in this encyclopedia. Just a reminder that all NEEMO Aquanauts have got so far their bio published by Wikipedia, even if they are not astronauts. Here are some examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Reagan ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Abercromby ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Chappell ; There are very few persons in the world eligible to the Aquanaut title: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aquanauts . All of them are known for being Aquanauts and that's is the reason why we posted this bio on Wikipedia. NEEMOXIX (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
• Strong Keep and early close per WP:SNOW He's French, so not all sources are English language. See here [1]. I can help with the article. Also, a handful of google news references. here [2] —Gaff ^ταλκ 14:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep: Subject of the article obviously meet WP:GNG. The fact that sources are not in english does not mean that a subject is non-notable. On this note as well as the above arguments, I recommend anearly close per WP:SNOW. Wikicology (talk) 15:16, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Comment - I feel like Henry Fonda in Twelve Angry Men. I completely stand by my nomination. User:Crystallizedcarbon attached no less than five "reliable sources", and of those, only the first source discussed this person in any detail; the other four merely mentioned his name. I too went looking for sources before nominating this biography, and it was slim pickins. Near all of this article is sourced by his employer or personal Facebook page. He seems like a nice guy, and certainly has an important job, but if he was notable (by Wiki standards) there would be less sizzle and more steak published about him. The article reads like an impressive resume. Anyway, I look forward to an improvement to this article, and thank you for your time. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Comment for Keep - Since the call for article deletion, all sources have been reviewed and updated to meet WP:GNG. Self-published sources like Facebook were deleted. The ESA and NASA published biographies of Stevenin (which, by the way, are not "standard bios published by employers", but rare bios exceptionally published in the public domain by these space agencies to inform about notable persons, like astronauts; Stevenin is not employed by NASA and got anyway a bio reference by NASA: http://www.nasa.gov/content/meet-the-neemo-18-and-19-crews/ ) are removed from references and just kept as external links. The article was also reworked and streamlined by removing excessive details featured in the initial version and highlighting important information related to the notability of this individual. Thanks for helping us to improve this article. NEEMOXIX (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC).

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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