Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outline of cuisines

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No clear consensus on whether to move or not as of yet, I would recommend that discussion continue on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 05:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Outline of cuisines[edit]

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This is just a duplication of lists already found elsewhere, and adds no actual information to the project. The Potato Hose ↘ 18:20, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename to List of cuisines. I was initially going to agree with you, because I assumed that a separate List of cuisines article already existed. But it looks like it redirects here, so this is actually the main list article for cuisine articles. As such, it should probably be renamed to List of cuisines. It's certainly a list that we need and it doesn't appear to be actually duplicating anything. Silver seren^C 21:55, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that the list was actually moved to this new and weird name. The Potato Hose ↘ 06:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and don't rename.[See below] This is part of Portal:Contents/Outlines which has existed for years (but still manages to surprise some editors who haven't encountered it before!). See WP:CLN for the short version. It makes as much sense as any of the List of lists of lists, or disambig pages. etc (Deep rabbit hole). –Quiddity (talk) 00:01, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really care about things that have been around for a while. The page duplicates the nav template, and isn't really useful in any way. The Potato Hose ↘ 06:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, see WP:CLN.

However, looking around further, in this particular case, I'd support merging this outline into Global cuisine, as they do overlap considerably, and I don't see huge potential for further growth in the other (non-regional) sections of the outline. Merge though, not just delete-all-content-and-redirect (as some slapdash editors might consider). –Quiddity (talk) 20:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'Global cuisine' is a specific kind of cuisine (or at least is a term much used as such among chefs and food writers). As seren pointed out, this should be moved back to List of cuisines. The Potato Hose ↘ 20:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you click the link and look at Global cuisine... You'll see it's a list. I'm not attached to any particular name. As long as the content remains available. –Quiddity (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you click here and then do the opposite, you'll annoy me less. Now that we've both had a go at being snarky, can we get back to discussing this? Good. I'm aware that it's a list; I don't know yet if I can find enough sources to move that list to a different title, and do an article defining 'global cuisine' (fyi it's the label often used by very contemporary or avant-garde restaurants that create all their own dishes without being tied to any specific regional cuisine; restaurants like elBulli and wd~50 and so on are often described as global cuisine, usually in addition to their ideological style).

In any case, am I correct in summarizing your !vote as Move to List of cuisines? The Potato Hose ↘ 21:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My comment was based on the fact that you were discussing an idealised definition of "Global cuisine", whereas I was discussing the actual-current-contents of the article-in-Wikipedia-currently-titled Global cuisine. Apologies that my poor wording came across as snark.

Yes, I'll change my !vote above, and agree with merge and rename the majority of the contents currently at Outline of cuisines and Global cuisine into a single article at List of cuisines. Any remaining list-style content that doesn't belong in that merged list, can hopefully be merged into Cuisine#See also.

I suspect it would be better, in the interest of preserving the bulk of the edit-history at the new location, to Page-Move the "global cuisine" article, and then merge the outline into that. (And then recreate the "global cuisine" article using new content based on its actual real-world usage of the phrase). –Quiddity (talk) 23:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. czar · · 00:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. czar · · 00:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Quiddity summed it up. No need to delete or rename. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 04:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, various move discussions can then take place further in article talk page space. — Cirt (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You know you have to, like, provide an actual reason? The Potato Hose ↘ 17:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with rationales of those three (3) editors above that the page could potentially be moved or renamed.
As such, those sorts of discussions are best left to talk page discussions, and not the WP:AFD process itself.
Therefore, I commented as such, in my initial comment.
Further info on this at WP:NOTFORCLEANUP.

Have a great day, — Cirt (talk) 17:52, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the emerging consensus to move, rename, and cleanup. "Nifty" is not a good reason, but there it is. Bearian (talk) 19:17, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, then merge. A functional way to accomplish the notions above is to merge Global cuisine to "List of cuisines" (the latter of which currently redirects to Outline of cuisines). From this point, any information in the Outline of cuisines article not present in the new List of cuisines article would be merged into it. The Global cuisine page would be retained and focus specifically upon Global cuisine as a type of culinary cuisine. Northamerica1000^(talk) 05:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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