Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Unicist Research Institute

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Because this was co-nominated with Peter Belohlavek, this article was already deleted before I noticed that there was a separate AfD. The result is the same, though. Randykitty (talk) 17:22, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Unicist Research Institute[edit]

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Non-notable research institute, does not meet WP:NORG, may not even meet WP:GNG, ~~could possibly even be a hoax and/or pseudoscience~~. I wasn't able to track down any of the non-affiliated publications online, nor was I able to find any other mention of the institute in non-affiliated publications. I could understand some of these articles being hard to find, as the institute was founded before the Internet existed, but not being able to track down any of them is a red flag. Moreover, between their titles and the claims that they are attached to in the article, it's unclear if these articles would satisfy WP:ORGCRITE even if they exist. Searching for either the research institute or its founder, Peter Belohlavek on Google Scholar returned no independent coverage and a paltry amount of papers with very few citations–Belohlavek appears to have an h-index of 4, which is pretty low for any professional academic, let alone the founder of a research institute! And this is despite the article claiming that their research has been put into practice in developing the economies of Argentina, Brazil, Spain, Ukraine, and the UK, as well as supposedly having been employed by Renault and American Express. The sourcing over at Peter Belohlavek is similarly threadbare, and it appears that it is actually a recreation of a previously deleted article (AfD discussion). In addition, despite having spent a significant amount of time attempting to research this subject, and despite personally having an academic background in the linguistic and philosophical fields that the article claims the subject's research is grounded in, I still feel like I barely understand what the institute supposedly does. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Relevant criteria- Notability and Verifiability to keep this article.

Following the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, I am sharing the arguments for keeping this article: The sources can be tracked and provided. From a research on this, national coverage newspapers can be found, and some are among the most prestigious newspapers in the region such as Brazilian, Uruguayan and Argentinian newspapers, and such as “La Nación” and “El Cronista Comercial” newspapers of national coverage among others (As seen in the references).

The sources that are not from the Internet, are in the form of newspaper articles and magazine articles, which are all available for physical consultation. As stated in the guidelines: “There is no distinction between using online versus offline sources. Offline sources are just as legitimate as those that are accessible to everyone online.”

I believe the national origin of the newspapers cited is not an issue to consider an article for deletion. If it would be useful to translate the sources, please I would appreciate your advice, since they are all verifiable and reliable sources.

The topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Following the guidelines, the article meets the primary criteria, having the 5 required components of: significant coverage, multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources.

Since the ongoing project on the application of the evolutionary economics to Micro-economics driven development for countries is announced for the end of November with the participation of volunteers, I am suggesting to remove this fragment from the article for the time being until secondary sources are provided for this particular case that can be verified, and then include this back with particular information if relevant.

The cases of Renault and American Express that were mentioned have been published and were of national reach in Argentina. The source of this can be found in "Radiografía del caso Renault". published in the magazine Noticias, Editorial Perfil (national coverage) and in the book Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. (Third edition), which are both mentioned in the References. Prague3 (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide quoted excerpts from some of the articles in question that demonstrate that they provide significant coverage of the subject, especially the sources that would support the claims regarding Renault and American Express? Spanish is fine, I can read it fluently. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I am providing a few below for the mentioned cases, preceded by their source, which I hope will be helpful. Other sources are also available to be shared if necessary. Thanks.

Some sources with excerpts that can be found below:

-Johnson, Peter (2004-12-16). "Argentina faces 20-year transition period". Buenos Aires Herald.

-“Reveladora encuesta de American Express". La Nación. Economía y Finanzas, p. 15. 1988-10-31.

-“Avanzan los gastos por viajes y representación en Argentina". Ámbito Financiero. p. 7. 1988-10-28.

-Gran expansión empresaria en los gastos de viaje y representación, La Razón, Section Economía, p. 7, 31-10-88

-Luchia-Puig, Cecilia (1989). Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. ISBN 950-537-146-2.

-"Radiografía del caso Renault". Noticias. Section: Empresas, p. 58-59: Editorial Perfil. 1990-01-14.

Johnson, Peter (2004-12-16). "Argentina faces 20-year transition period". Buenos Aires Herald.

Argentina faces 20-year transition period

“Future Research and scenario building is a little known area of research in Argentina, yet it has produced a breakthrough that makes other systems obsolete.”

“The methodology on which this approach to the construction of future scenarios is based is the Unicist Theory of Evolution developed by Peter Belohlavek, that enables one to build the drivers that determine the evolution of individuals, institutions and cultures.”

“The next 20 years for Argentina as seen as a transition period. At which point Belohlavek recalled a famous Chinese curse: “May you live through a transition period”.”

“Argentina has opted for a State model that corresponds to shrinking cultures or a country with shrinking sectors, which begins to give it consistency beyond the difficulties generated by actions by individual government officials rather than actions by the State as an institution. ”

“Corruption will continue to drop as the system becomes more efficient and the separation of individuals from institutions increases.”

“Until now the construction of future scenarios had been based on consensus. The Unicist methodology makes them obsolete as it is structured on the drivers that are the result of the concepts that underlie every process of evolution. It is a qualitative jump. Starting with the drivers it is possible to build multiple operational alternative and agreed on courses of action that can influence the future.”

Luchia-Puig, Cecilia (1989). Diners, Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. pp. 25–42. ISBN 950-537-146-2.

Diners

Sobre la base del caso Diners Club realizado por M&T

“La aplicación de un modelo de “organización personalizada” para el cambio de tecnología y cultura.”

(…) “Diners Club Argentina, en el año 1981 pasaba por un momento de transición muy difícil. En manos del grupo Capozzolo, el Dr. Edgardo Gómez Luengo, asume la gerencia general, iniciando una nueva etapa.”

“Comenzó, entonces, un proceso de reorganización que duró un año y medio, que permitiera lograr una orientación hacia el mercado. Para ello se puso en marcha el modelo de “Organización Personalizada”. El objetivo era lograr que el adherente de Diners fuera considerado no simplemente como adherente, sino como un verdadero socio, lo que implicaba que recibiera un trato personalizado. Este plan significaba que debía trabajarse de afuera hacia adentro, con lo cual Gómez Luengo se vio obligado a montar un esquema de marketing diferente, con una publicidad dirigida a los niveles centrales a los que apuntaba Diners y una inteligente segmentación de mercado.”

“El éxito se determinó a raíz de un incremento del 50% en las ventas, un porcentaje que logró alcanzarse en un tiempo de 45 días.”

“Reveladora encuesta de American Express". La Nación. Economía y Finanzas, p. 15. 1988-10-31.

Reveladora encuesta de American Express

“Los gastos en viajes alcanzaron los US$330 millones en 1987

“Las empresas argentinas invirtieron 330 millones de dólares en gastos de representación y viajes durante 1987, es decir, un promedio diario de 900.000 dólares.”

“Una encuesta efectuada a 500 empresas de primera línea permitió demostrar que el 42% de éstas estimó que los gastos en ese rubro mantendrán en los próximos años una tendencia claramente ascendente.”

“El estudio, encomendado a M&T por American Express, reveló también la falta de políticas definidas en el rubro viajes y representación de las empresas privadas en el país.”

“En efecto, a pesar del importante volumen de recursos afectados al rubro viajes y representación sólo un tercio de la muestra mostró tener una estrategia concreta de erogaciones.”

“Un análisis más pormenorizado permite observar que un exiguo 7% de las 500 empresas sondeadas tiene una política escrita y revisada anualmente para esa área.”

“Durante la presentación del trabajo, el vicepresidente de American Express, Pablo Kusher, hizo especial hincapié en que dentro de las condiciones en que se desenvuelve la economía del país, cobra una creciente importancia una correcta administración e inversión en ese tipo de gastos. Kusher estuvo acompañado por el gerente de Sistemas de la Compañía American Express, Esteban Mac Garrell, y el presidente de M&T, Pedro Belohlavek.”

"Avanzan los gastos por viajes y representación en Argentina". Ámbito Financiero. p. 7. 1988-10-28.

En 1897 se usaron 330 millones de dólares con este fin.

“Algunos datos que se manejan al margen de las grandes estadísticas alimentan la impresión de que en el país la situación y las perspectivas de las empresas privadas no son tan desalentadoras como usualmente se las ven. Por caso, los resultados de un trabajo de investigación encargado por American Express a M&T, que demuestran que las empresas argentinas gastaron en viajes y representación 330 millones de dólares a lo largo de 1987.”

“Esa erogación está enormemente lejos de la que hace los Estados Unidos (95.000 millones de dólares anuales) o el Brasil (2600 millones), aunque más cerca de México (500 millones). Pero sin embargo el estudio demuestra también que 39% de las compañías aumentó sus gastos de viaje y representación en 39% durante 1986 con respecto al año anterior, estimándose que entre 1986 y 1987 el aumento fue de 43%.”

“Además, 42% de las empresas encuestadas opinó que estos gastos mantendrán una tendencia creciente en los próximos años lo que vinculan a inminentes expansiones tanto de la compañía como del mercado donde operan.”

“La investigación demuestra que sobre las razones que motivarán el aumento, 42% de los encuestados opinó que se deberá a la expansión de la empresa, 16% a la mejora en los resultados obtenidos o expectativas favorables, 13% a la necesidad de abrir y conquistar nuevos mercados de exportación y 5% a la necesidad de mantenerse actualizado.”

“La encuesta se realizó entre 440 empresas privadas de capital, Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rosario y Mendoza, y se las clasificó de acuerdo al personal empleado en chicas (hasta 50 agentes), medianas (hasta 200) y grandes (más de 200), aunque también se las clasificó según la metodología de decisión en clásica, industrial y tecnológica. En la organización clásica el proceso decisorio está centrado en sus líderes, en la industria en el método o técnica, y en la tecnológica la decisión está puesta en la tecnología.”

“El estudio demuestra que 92% de las empresas tecnológicas define a los gastos de viaje y representación como muy importantes. Señala también que el promedio anual de ese tipo de erogaciones es de 25.000 dólares para las empresas chicas, 145.000 para las medianas y 420.000 para las grandes.”

“Sin embargo, como indicio del limitado avance que todavía tiene la cuestión en el país, el estudio demuestra que sólo 32% de las empresas cuenta con una política de gastos de viaje y representación a los efectos de un adecuado manejo administrativo, 68% restante suele resolver los diferentes temas en base a las circunstancias que deben enfrentarse y de acuerdo a la jerarquía de la persona que las asuma.”

Gran expansión empresaria en los gastos de viaje y representación, La Razón, Section Economía, p. 7, 31-10-88

“Las empresas argentinas gastaron en viajes y representación 330 millones de dólares a lo largo de 1987, es decir una cifra cercana al millón de dólares por día, revela un informe realizado por M&T a pedido de American Express Argentina.”

“En la ocasión el vicepresidente general de la División Viajes y Sistemas de Compañía, Pablo Kuscher, dio a conocer el estudio de mercado que, entre otras cosas, refleja que el nivel de gasto no es casual, “por cuanto un 42% de la muestra opinó que las erogaciones en ese rubro mantendrán una tendencia creciente en los próximos años”.”

“Concretamente a través del sondeo efectuado a 500 empresas representativas del mercado total, se observa que un alto porcentaje de los consultados espera que sus gastos de viaje y representación se incrementen debido a inminentes expansiones tanto de la compañía como del mercado donde operan.”

“Un análisis pormenorizado muestra en este sentido que entre las razones de ese esperado aumento el 42% opina que se deberá a la expansión de la empresa, el 16% a la mejora de los resultados obtenidos o expectativas favorables, el 13% a la necesidad de abrir y conquistar nuevos mercados de exportación y un 5% a la necesidad de mantenerse actualizado.”

Luchia-Puig, Cecilia (1989). Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. pp. 3–23. ISBN 950-537-146-2.

Caso Renault

(…) La utilización de un modelo de management como catalizador del proceso (p. 3) basado en el caso Renault Argentina realizado por M&T.

Renault, en la Argentina, intentaba reproducir la organización conceptual de su casa matriz, en donde la empresa se dividía en áreas funcionales. En el organigrama de Renault se podía apreciar claramente esa situación, en la que la existencia de comités aseguraba que esos planteos funcionales se integrasen en los objetivos de dirección. Se manejaban diferentes comités, entre los cuales estaba el que definía un producto, y es ahí donde se integraban las áreas funcionales que hacen a la definición del mismo. Este modelo de organización es fácilmente comprensible desde la óptica del modelo de organización francés y argentino. (p. 9)

… De esta manera en Renault incidieron en forma muy significativa los modelos implícitos de las dos culturas, el modelo de Francia y el modelo de Argentina. (p. 9)

El programa de productividad en el área comercial se plasmó en la aplicación de la “Administración centrada en el cliente” para definir los procesos, uniendo a ella una mayor productividad de los hombres de ventas. Se estaba evidenciando que la productividad no era la reducción de los costos sino la optimización de la relación costo-beneficio. Esto exigía, entonces, reducir costos y al mismo tiempo centrar los esfuerzos para ganar en las ventas. (p.23)

(…) Esto sucedió con Renault, que en ese entonces, a pesar de su liderazgo comercial y su penetración en el mercado, tenía un rojo contable (…) de veinte millones de dólares. Una situación que quita el sueño a cualquiera y de la que Jacques Ramondou, director general de Renault Argentina, no estaba excluido. El es quien decide entonces buscar alternativas de cambio, montando lo que se llamó el “programa de productividad”.

(…) A partir de un análisis organizacional, se detectó la necesidad de rediseñar los puestos de trabajo con el objeto de acortar los tiempos de proceso, lo que significó también pulir los procedimientos pertinentes. (p. 5)

… El empleo de este enfoque para analizar el valor agregado de la comunicación (al proceso) permitió, en Renault, eliminar funciones intermedias redundantes, y por el otro lado obligó a crear funciones intermedias que faltaban. Este esquema se relaciona directamente con el tema, es la investigación de la imagen, que permite determinar cuan centrífugas o centrípetas son las imágenes de cada uno para darles el lugar adecuado de manera que resulten confiables. Una vez se puede observar la utilización de técnicas de investigación de mercado aplicadas a metodologías de organización. (p. 21)

(…) Renault buscaba que sus productos fueran diferenciados y, a su vez, aplicaba la estrategia de segmentación, con lo cual necesitaba una gran habilidad comercial. Por otra parte, estaba obligada a mejorar su situación de costos a través de un proceso de productividad que le permitiera compensar las ventajas competitivas que tenían otras automotrices debido a los convenios de intercambio con el Brasil. (p. 22)

"Radiografía del caso Renault". Noticias. Section: Empresas, p. 58-59: Editorial Perfil. 1990-01-14.

Radiografía del caso Renault: Como remontar la cuesta

Sobre la base del caso Renault Argentina realizado por M&T

(…) “El programa que encaró la dirección general estaba basado en la necesidad de producir un importante mejoramiento en la efectividad, concretado en mayor productividad, enfrentando a una competencia fuerte encabezada por Sevel, Ford y Volkswagen.”

“La técnica empleada en este caso fue la de trabajar de forma participativa con todos los integrantes de Renault que estaban involucrados en el proceso.”

… “El programa de productividad en el área comercial se plasmó en la aplicación de la “Administración centrada en el cliente” para definir los procesos. … Esto exigía reducir costos y al mismo tiempo centrar los esfuerzos para ganar en las ventas.”

Luchia-Puig, Cecilia (1989). Estrategia Política, Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. pp. 105–116. ISBN 950-537-146-2.

Estrategia Política: Gobernación de San Juan, Argentina realizada por M&T.

“Podemos hablar de seis órdenes en la estructura social sanjuanina, el económico, el político, el militar, el religioso, el social y el familiar, y parte del trabajo consistió en analizar cómo se articulaban estos seis órdenes en la estructura social sanjuanina. En lo que hace al orden económico en San Juan, la economía tradicional está orientada a la monoproducción, con una escasa incorporación de tecnologías de avanzada. La minería y la industria aparecen como elementos marginales a la estructura, dado que el sanjuanino, más allá de lo que señalen las estadísticas, se siente sobre todas las cosas identificado con la vitivinicultura.”

(…) “La publicidad oficial, a no ser que sea realmente sutil, tiene un efecto paradojal y se vuelve contra el propio gobierno, porque no resulta creíble. Frente a este planteo, mientras el candidato radical dedicaba páginas en los periódicos como parte de su campaña, el Dr. Gómez Centurión decidió no valerse de los anuncios publicitarios más que para hacer públicos sus debates y exposiciones.” Prague3 (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through these sources, the only one that mentions "Unicist", whether as a theory or as an institute is the Buenos Aires Herald excerpt. This excerpt is also suspicious because of the number of grammatical errors in the text, including errors that are not particularly likely typos, and strange capitalization decisions. I'm thus a bit skeptical that this content was actually published in the Herald–moreover, if the claims in the excerpt are true, it is quite frankly astonishing that no other paper would have reported on them. If "Future research and scenario building" had really produced a breakthrough that "rendered other systems obsolete", we would expect to see other publications reporting on this as well.

The other sources do not mention the subject at all; exactly one of the sources mentions Peter (well, Pedro) Belohlavek in passing as the "president of M&T". Now right off the bat it is original research to conclude that just on the basis of Belohlavek's involvement that the Unicist Research Institute's theories are employed, and it's even more tenuous to claim that just because M&T was involved that Peter Belohlavek was involved, which means that these sources are not particularly useful for establishing the subject's notability. Additionally it's left unclear what "M&T" is. If this refers to M&T Bank, which would be a reasonable financial partner for AmEx and Diner's Club, then there doesn't appear to be any evidence other than this article that Belohlavek was ever employed there. At this time, I can't say that I've seen any evidence that actually establishes the subject's notability, and remain concerned that this is a hoax. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would it help you to receive a scanned copy of the Buenos Aires Herald article? Please tell me where I can send it. I always presume good faith on both sides and I will do my part with pleasure to provide all the information that you request and ask. I retyped myself the quotes from the article that you asked, so I apologize beforehand if I made any mistakes, with capitalization that you mentioned, which I have not noticed. I believe there is no issue to consider an article for deletion based on this. I can offer you to send a scanned copy of the full article, I have a photocopy reduction with me that I used which can solve this easily.

M&T was the previous nomination of the Group as it is particularly specified on the right of the article that you could see (see Formerly), which stands for Management and Technology Consulting Group. If it is part of Wikipedia´s policies, I will be glad to send you all the articles scanned if you want for you to verify all the information in which this appears. The Institute was founded by the Slovakian Peter Belohlavek, and, as it is stated on the right box, there were 2 previous nominations to the group: M&T and ASOU. These sources do mention M&T as also mention the works developed in the social and institutional fields that are mentioned and related to the article (see article). I believe there is no issue in this fact, since the “Formerly” concept is of common use in Wikipedia and the information is open and provided. But if there is a problem with this, I would appreciate your advice to proceed, following the specific guidelines. I can send you additional articles as well.

I trust this will clarify your doubts. But if necessary, please let me know if sending you a copy of the article/s will be useful, sending other articles, or sending a copy of the organization´s open list of clients could be of help. If necessary, let me know which are the guidelines for doing so since I have never been asked for doing this before, and the image format that is accepted. If you have any suggestions on possible changes or additions, please let me know. I appreciate your help. Thank you very much. Prague3 (talk) 22:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A scanned copy of the Herald would be good for establishing that source's verifiability, yes. I'm not sure what the proper procedure is for submitting scans of coverage in sources for verification purposes, and WP:OFFLINE doesn't seem to mention anything; personally I'd be fine evaluating documents sent either over email or hosted on a third party site. If possible, it would also be good if you could provide sources confirming that M&T and Unicist are the same organization, as that appears to be an uncited claim in the current revision of the article. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:39, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am sending you the scanned copy of the article from the Buenos Aires Herald and also an access where the connection between M&T and Unicist can be verified. I count this will be useful. I am sharing them below. I hope the location of the pdf is fine to verify the information, but if you prefer some other place, please let me know. Thank you.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18Z62DPcx5HYGqWl1JRQFomg3xv_Rp-U2/view?usp=sharing

https://www.unicist.org/milestones.php Prague3 (talk) 02:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing these sources, I believe they establish that the coverage is indeed legitimate, and the Herald article in particular is a strong piece of evidence in favor of notability. However, it's unclear to me based on the excerpts provided of the other pieces of coverage that they provide sufficiently in-depth coverage of M&T/Unicist to meet WP:ORGCRITE, and thus the notability of the subject is still a borderline case in my view at this time. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. I am glad that you could access and confirm the sources I have sent you. I understand your interest in good quality articles and I hope to be doing the best to arrive to a good result. Following your request, I am sending you a scanned copy of other sources I have here, please I would appreciate if you could confirm they are helpful. I appreciate your help and guidance and any suggestion to fulfill the next steps to come to a solution.

Additional sources:

"Peter Belohlavek & The Unicist Research Institute". Segundo Congreso Nacional: Argentina necesita emprendedores. Nº 91, p.9: Ediciones Mañana Profesional. August–September 2005.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ONY-tWTqOzl7HVrnym4ONBvXYNE6idzP/view?usp=sharing

Ferro, María Laura (2003-01-05). Teoría Unicista: Otra manera de aprender - “Acá todo el mundo quiere ser Dios y, entonces, es nada”. Revista Nueva. Nº 599, p. 12: Agrupación Diarios del Interior.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17TLibYvaUb-VJyAYwJLs85Y3gp1l-O31/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ljBa8UpwjR0gG5i_hv3_zefDWD3o1H0U/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UO08XUayocQyvXw8-jLwc-kUtwRtAE9/view?usp=sharing

Gesualdi, Patricia (2013-05-06). "Refutación a la Teoría de la Demanda". Mañana University. p. 22-23: Ediciones Mañana Profesional.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FCkStwA2Jkdq2BKwFvW_NZdUKSiNpquC/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oPv1bz0MAeA3noCfD2YqAhswH1mkze4D/view?usp=sharing

"Brasil: Sanear para así crecer". El Cronista Comercial. p.9. 1990-03-18

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VQAbHuTPUzp43Mum-7Lf6ynCGjG4TvSo/view?usp=sharing

"Espíritu deportivo y eficacia profesional". Mañana Profesional. Investigación. p.30: Ediciones Mañana Profesional. Nº 84, Nov–Dec 2003.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L9emGkFOcyOFFcEyydZvihEqVUxEL3T-/view?usp=sharing

Thank you. Prague3 (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned that some of these sources are not reliable. In particular Mañana Profesional appears to be an industry publisher that offers publication services to other companies. While they do appear to also have their own publication, the "Quienes somos" link on their website is broken and I wasn't able to find information elsewhere. My search for Revista Nueva led me to here, a website that doesn't list any editorial information and doesn't even have an "about us" section, and which may or may not even be the same publication as you cited. The El Cronista source is reliable, but only discusses Belohlavek, not the Unicist Institute. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:20, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am sending you the required information. Following your request, I am sharing additional sources to the Buenos Aires Herald, La Nación, Ámbito Financiero, La Razón, etc. that have been previously confirmed, adding 2 additional reliable sources (Cronista and El Dia) that I hope will satisfy your request and I am also sending you information about the Nueva Magazine in Argentina that you needed to confirm.

-Johnson, Peter (2004-12-16). "Argentina faces 20-year transition period". Buenos Aires Herald.

-“Reveladora encuesta de American Express". La Nación. Economía y Finanzas, p. 15. 1988-10-31.

-“Avanzan los gastos por viajes y representación en Argentina". Ámbito Financiero. p. 7. 1988-10-28.

-Gran expansión empresaria en los gastos de viaje y representación, La Razón, Section Economía, p. 7, 31-10-88

- Ferro, María Laura (2003-01-05). Teoría Unicista: Otra manera de aprender - “Acá todo el mundo quiere ser Dios y, entonces, es nada”. Revista Nueva. Nº 599, p. 12: Agrupación Diarios del Interior.

Revista Nueva is a known Sunday Magazine that comes together with the newspaper in Argentina in the cities of Cordoba, Santa Fe, Rosario, Misiones, Corrientes, Entre Rios, La Plata, San Nicolas, Junin, Bahia Blanca, Neuquen, Rio Negro, Mendoza, La Rioja, Catamarca, Tucuman and Santiago del Estero. You can find the name of the newspapers in the footer of its website:

http://nueva.com.ar/ and you can also find an “about us” link in the menu under the title: “sobre nueva”.

As far as I know, the Manana Profesional magazine was sold some years ago, in one of the Argentinian crises.

I am providing additional reliable secondary sources to add to the previous ones:

Brea, José Luis. “El consumidor exige funcionalidad a los productos”. Cronista Comercial, p. 31, 1989-7-20.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QcMq8o_7B20F6AdkjimahiwPA9zP0MVH/view?usp=sharing

"Destacan la estabilidad del Uruguay en América Latina". El Día. Información Nacional, p. 7, 1989-5-16.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11isntHR7duQFUaSPNpjpsgUjI_cvFg3h/view?usp=sharing

I appreciate your help and guidance in this process to reach a solution. Thank you very much. Prague3 (talk) 23:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Upon reviewing the Revista Nueva source, I'm not sure its coverage can be considered independent. It is mostly an interview with Belohlavek about his various opinions–while it includes a separate section about the Unicist Institute, in that section it explicitly quotes the institute's website. Additionally, I'm still a little puzzled by the relationship between M&T and Unicist. Between this source, which extensively quotes one Marcela Gonzalez Arcila as the director of M&T, as well as other vague claims that Unicist was an "unincorporated association" and that it was "spun off" from M&T, I'm not sure it's accurate to conclude that coverage of M&T is equivalent to coverage of the Unicist Research Institute for notability purposes. Thus, while I believe there's substantial evidence that the subject exists, the nature of the coverage's focus on Belohlavek and M&T as opposed to on the subject itself with the name "Unicist Research Institute" leaves me uncertain as to whether the subject meets WP:NORG. I would appreciate the opinions of more editors at this time. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am sending you additional information to answer your requests. The Nueva magazine is an independent, reliable source. As specified in the summary of the magazine, Nueva is property of ADI (Agrupación Diarios del Interior). This ensures the complete independence of the source.

The connection between M&T and Unicist is explicitly stated in the “Formerly” section of the Infobox in the article as well as in the source provided. I believe there is no issue in this fact, since the “Formerly” concept is of common use in Wikipedia and the information is open and provided. I hope this is helpful to reach a solution. Thank you for your help. Prague3 (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Can someone sum this all up? Right now, it's impossible to discern precise points. And I'd like to know said points before throwing my gloves into the ring. Kirbanzo (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Currently there's a lot of borderline trivial or unreliable coverage that has been presented. The sources that mention "Unicist Research Institute" directly (other than the Unicist Research Institute Website) are this article attributed to Mañana Profesional, and an interview with Peter Belohlavek in Revista Nueva (split across three scans, [1], [2], [3], with most of the coverage of the research institute being in a section of the third scan). Additional sources either mention "Unicist Theory" or purport to publish research associated with the Institute (although they give minimal coverage of the Institute itself): Buenos Aires Herald, Mañana University ([4], [5]), and Mañana Profesional ([6]). Further coverage has been provided of a firm called Management and Technology, with which Belohlavek was at one point heavily involved, and which has an unclear relationship with the Unicist Research Institute (The Unicist Research Institute website has an attempt at explanation [7], but it remains unclear whether notability should be inherited across the two organizations) in El Cronista, [8], as well as other sources whose scans I did not request because their coverage clearly did not mention the Unicist Research Institute based on excerpts provided above (“Reveladora encuesta de American Express". La Nación. Economía y Finanzas, p. 15. 1988-10-31., “Avanzan los gastos por viajes y representación en Argentina". Ámbito Financiero. p. 7. 1988-10-28., Gran expansión empresaria en los gastos de viaje y representación, La Razón, Section Economía, p. 7, 31-10-88, Luchia-Puig, Cecilia (1989). Claves en la conducción empresaria. Ediciones Macchi. ISBN 950-537-146-2., "Radiografía del caso Renault". Noticias. Section: Empresas, p. 58-59: Editorial Perfil. 1990-01-14.). All in all, my current stance is that there isn't enough coverage of the Unicist Research Institute itself to demonstrate notability: what we have is lots of coverage of another organization with unclear affiliation, and a handful of interviews with the director of the Institute that do not provide significant coverage of the institute. I think that the sources which mention the Unicist Research Institute fall significantly short of WP:ORGCRITE–the only path to notability that I see is if we judge that coverage of M&T should be considered equivalent to coverage of the subject, which I do not think is justifiable based on currently available evidence. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The strong overlap of sources between this and the article on Belohlavek makes clear that this institute is not independently notable from Belohlavek. We should not have two separate-looking articles that are really on the same subject. If we are to have one article (and whether we should have even that much is unclear) it should be on Belohlavek rather than his corporate shell. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Evidence to keep the article. Based on your request, I reviewed the wikipedia guidelines and the sources so as to provide you with the necessary information for your convenience. The sources provided follow the Wikipedia guidelines, they provide significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources. You can see some of the main national newspapers as sources that can be accessed in the public library archives and that have been also provided for verification.

The “formerly” concept that is used in the Infobox is of common use in Wikipedia. For this particular case, I looked for the information, and the relation between M&T and The Unicist Research Institute to confirm it and I verified that it is open and public. Looking for additional information, to answer your request, I found this information in the website as part of the history of the institute confirming the information that is already in the article.

Please find the relation between M&T and The Unicist Research Institute in its history: https://www.unicist.org/history.php

(Just on a side note, in this history page that I found, together with this information, you will also find a list of clients and an access to the unicist school with more than 100,000 followers in 56 countries.)

Since the previous sources that had been provided during the last 2 weeks have national coverage and can be verified as reliable secondary sources, in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, I hope that this information is useful to confirm the relation and keep this article. I count with your help to solve this soon. I appreciate your guidance. Prague3 (talk) 20:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Prague3: TL;DR. Please see Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process and Wikipedia:Wall of text. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete None of those references meet the criteria for establishing notability as none provide in-depth information on the organization itself. Most mention their involvement in various studies or research work but that is not sufficient for establishing notability as per WP:CORPDEPTH. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:24, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not meet WP:ORG; significant RS coverage not found. Passing mentions do not establish notability. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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