Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vendors of semiconductor IP cores

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep; I am also going to take the liberty of renaming to List of semiconductor IP core vendors, per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Lists. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-08 09:43Z

Vendors of semiconductor IP cores

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Delete This article is a list of commercial IP vendors. It is without merit, without notability, and does not belong on wikipedia. The author of this article is just upset that I re-wrote the section of vendors in the Semiconductor_intellectual_property_core article. You can educate the reader as to what an IP vendor is without a vacuous list of company links. Nobody is learning anything of an academic nature by reading this article. Tomstdenis 16:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep (I have created the article using the material Tomstdenis deleted - despite objections on the Talk page - from another article, see Talk:Semiconductor intellectual property core). The articles of this type are fairly common in Wikipedia and usually do not generate any controversy. See, for example, List of ERP vendors, List of SOA related products, List of defunct graphics chips and card companies, List of defunct hard disk manufacturers, List of ERP software packages, List of former IA32 compatible processor manufacturers, List of antivirus software, List of EDA companies. Dimawik 16:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Again, just because other (and I haven't checked all of them) irrelevant pages exist doesn't mean this one should stay. You're but one in a sea of tens of thousands IP vendors. Why is your company so notable as to be listed and not others? The flipside is to list every company that claims to be an IP vendor. The article would be very long, and totally unwikipedia. For instance, the list of IA32 processor vendors is only borderline encyclopedic by the mere volume of x86_32 processors in use today. Many of the IA32 vendors are historic in that their designs led to advances in computing, for instance, pipelined CISC cores, super-scalar CISC cores, OOE cores, etc. ARM Ltd (for instance) already has an article in wikipedia because of their place in modern computing. This list offers no explanation as to why they're placed at the top of the list (repeatedly in different sections). They're hardly the only processor vendor. See for example, freescale, motorola, ibm, intel, RCA, etc, etc, etc. In that this list is infeasible to be accurate, it should be deleted (much like I think a page listing all thousands of human genes would be inappropriate for wiki). Either we list ALL vendors of IP cores who have at least one product, or we list none of them. Tomstdenis 16:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Can I add my objection to the views of user Tomstdenis. The list of IP vendors is important, but should be kept short and to the point. In my view that is quite feesible as worldwide the number of significant IP vendors numbers in the tens not the hundreds. I'm not counting every vendor who can offer a CRC checksum routine in VHDL, but only those IP companies that offer large and complex IP blocks such as Processors or cutting edge video codecs that require a significant number of man years (centuaries??) to develop. Also the focus of the list page should be on those companies that generate the bulk of their revenue from IP sales.
• While the academic value of this list is limited, it is an excellent primary source of information about this difficult to understand area of business.
  • Remark You seriously underestimate the number of competent B2B IP vendors there are out there. Sure there are few the size of ARM or ATMEL or whatever, but there are many competent businesses that are making profit in the industry. ARM already has a wiki entry, for example. We do not need another empty page that is merely a link to it. Either write a body to the article that substantiates the links (hint: the parent article has a stub in that direction) or delete this page. Wikipedia is not a place to put up meaningless vendor lists. And even though other lists exists, doesn't mean this one should (and perhaps some of the existing lists should be removed too). Tomstdenis 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC

• Remark Perhaps the list page should be changed to a category. I'm not sure how to do this, but if an IP Cores category existed, it could be added to all relevant wikipedia company entries.dfmcp 20:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keeping the list in addition to a category might be the best idea though - as a category will not be able to add details of they type of IP cores provided by different vendors. Dfmcp 20:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.