Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White genocide conspiracy theory

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn; some form of this article (possibly one narrowly focused on South Africa) is not getting deleted. I'll address my many other concerns on that talk page. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

White genocide conspiracy theory[edit]

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A mix of WP:OR and BLP violations. I'm referring this for deletion based on an WP:ANI thread. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Was this the ANI thread you are talking about? PackMecEng (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; we don't delete obviously notable topics just because one of the editors involved is problematic. I wouldn't object to reverting to the version before Perspex started editing it and pretending the last month didn't happen. ‑ Iridescent 22:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the contents of that revision regarding Donald Trump Jr. are still likely a BLP violation. has been accused by mainstream media of being either a believer in the conspiracy,[87] or pretending to be an advocate for political gain is both bad writing, and a clear attempt to smear somebody. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Iridescent. Notable enough, as usual we have to be careful about BLP implications; the article can be fixed. —Paleo Neonate – 22:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but narrow focus. As it currently stands, the article documents two different conspiracy theories: (A) Whites are being oppressed in "predominantly white countries, or supposedly white-founded countries" (plural). (B) The South African government has a plan to seize land from white farmers. The problem with combining theories A and B into a single article is that it contains a long list of White genocide conspiracy theory#Advocates and alleged advocates. Some people are included in this list because they believe in B, but since the lede defines A as the topic of the article, the clear implication is that the folks on the list believe A. That violates BLP policy. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 22:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as nom the original article (circa 2015) was about the meme "white genocide"; whether this refers to any specific theory is a later addition. It has since evolved into a catch-all. If there is a theory (or far more likely, several theories) that can be described without making any BLP violations, go for it. Otherwise, the page should be deleted. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lawrence King: - one problem is that this term appears to mean something very different in South Africa than it does in the United States. Based on one Trump tweet, there is a cottage industry trying to imply that they mean the same thing. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:08, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough. However, it seems to me that a Wikipedia article can focus on one meaning of a term even if that term has other meanings. More importantly, the name of this page is not "White genocide", but rather "White genocide conspiracy theory". So even if the former is used in different ways in different countries, is the latter term used in multiple ways?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrence King (talk • contribs)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. I have no doubt that an article on this subject could be done. I'm less sure that we should even start with this article as a base. There is so many BLP problems in this article that trying to fix it may take more time than just starting over from scratch. Either way, I think it should be moved to draft while the substantial problems with the content of the article get worked out, so I suggest we WP:DRAFTIFY it. If we do keep it, I do think a substantial revert to a prior version would be required. -Obsidi (talk) 23:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If there's a consensus to re-purpose this to just be about South Africa, and to put content about The Great Replacement conspiracy theory (which is also a "white genocide conspiracy theory") or white-nationalism in other articles, I'll withdraw this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Came across this a while back. It was started by a now-indeffed user with some problematic content. Since then, multiple more experienced editors have made improvements. I haven't had a chance to review the recent flurry of activity, but worst come to worst it can be rolled way back. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 00:38, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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