Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yonatan Steinberg

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yonatan Steinberg[edit]

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Yonatan Steinberg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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This appears to be a WP:BLP1E instance. There appears to little to no meaningful coverage of this individual as a subject before or after the one event involved, and all of the coverage on the en-wiki page is essentially obituary material and coverage. Based on this material as it is, as an encyclopedic entry the page devolves more towards WP:RESUME or WP:NOTMEMORIAL than anything else, with the material also largely coming from government and military obituaries, not independent RS. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:delete: this is one of about a dozen articles that seem to be violating WP:NOTMEMORIAL and linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7. i've nominated those that i can, but many of them are additionally marked extended protected, which seems like an abuse of the designation in an effort to protect the pages from (rightful) editing and deletion. 814jjs (talk) 20:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC) not EC FortunateSons (talk) 09:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The last comment may not have been encyclopedic, but I will reply anyway. These other articles may or may not be notable, but they should be considered on their own merits. If they are at the wrong protection level then I suggest raising this at WP:RPP. PatGallacher (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WP:NOTMEMORIAL says "Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet" [[{WP:GNG]]. This does not apply here. There are multiple secondary independent RS (Walla, Times of Israel) that provide coverage of the subject. Longhornsg (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Neither of the keep !votes really address the BLP1E argument advanced by the nominator. Relisting for further discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep Sadly October 7 made many people and events notable. What happened that day is already being denied. Don't whitewash the events of that day. Wikipedia needs to reflect what happened, by whom, to whom. Future generations need to be aware of the atrocities. Never forget. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In terms of WP:BLP1E he was notable before October 7, but the impetus to create the article only happened because of the events of that day. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The nomination is based in error as Steinberg received coverage also during his life.[1][2] While BLP1E and NOTMEMORIAL are important policies, neither one applies here. For deletion that is. gidonb (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per all the comments above, and WP:SUSTAINED. I added a source from a few months later about his weapon being found, which demonstrates that his memory is still persistent in people's minds. Although maybe not the best comparison, Shireen Abu Akleh is another victim of the conflict who sadly was only recognised for her life's achievements immediately after her death, which is when her article was first created. Havradim leaf a message 12:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:HEY and ongoing legacy. Whatever faults this article had at its creation no longer apply. Bearian (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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