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December 27[edit]

Category:Party of Regions (Ukraine)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale; per Party of Regions. Charles Essie (talk) 20:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – per Party of Regions (Poland). The article should be moved as it is ambiguous. Oculi (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Oculi: While it's a separate issue from whether the category should be renamed, I'm not convinced that the article should be moved in this case. It is, in all likelihood, the Ukrainian party is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this name. The Ukrainian party has been a major parliamentary player in the country. The Polish party is quite small and has never been represented in the parliament. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to match article. As I mentioned above, the Ukrainian party is likely the primary topic, and categories should follow the article's name in cases such as these (similar to why we have Category:London and Category:Paris even though these names are technically ambiguous). Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Polish part is a very minor party with no high level elected people, or a wide support among the people. The Ukrainian group on the other hand had an outright majority at the regional level of Ukrainian politics in 2010. SFB 03:20, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Cricket players by team[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep all. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated categories
Nominator's rationale: Most of the contents of Category:Cricketers by team have the problem that the common team names align with a specific area as well, leading to confusion of the difference between, say, Category:Cricketers from Queensland and Category:Queensland cricketers. The proposed change will clearly delineate the separate team and geography concepts, and prevent confusion and ambiguity. In almost all circumstances, players are not limited to their home area team (e.g. a cricketer from Lancashire can play for any other county). In all cases I have used the main article title for the relevant club. I have not included any categories where an obvious team name is present (e.g. Category:Faisalabad Wolves cricketers‎) as these have no potential for confusion. SFB 17:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why "Queensland Cricket" rather than "Queensland cricket team" (the format for the other Australian teams). I understand the perceived need to disambiguate, but I'm not sure that the name chosen is the best: it may be absolutely clear, but it is also very clunky, and not seen in any other category tree. Why not the more conventional format "Category:Wiltshire County Cricket Club players" or "Category:Haryana cricket team players"? Harrias talk 10:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Harrias: That was chosen due to the main article Queensland Cricket. I'm happy to support renaming these as "X players", rather than "players of x" as that is probably a better format. I'm not as married to the proposed names as I am to the idea that the form "Foo cricketers" is easily mistaken for "cricketers from Foo". SFB 13:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wholly unnecessary. PinchHittingLeggy (talk) 11:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. What he said. I'm someone who edits a lot of cricket articles and makes use of (and creates) these categories, and I don't think that a problem exists. Any confusion between "Queensland cricketers" and "Cricketers from Queensland" (and the like) has generally been short-lived and quickly corrected, either by the editor concerned or by someone from WP:CRIC. The alternatives "Players for xxx cricket team" or "xxxx cricket team players" are very unwieldy and unintuitive, and it's a big change for a problem that doesn't really exist. IgnorantArmies 11:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @IgnorantArmies: The tree currently is being misused in many ways because of this naming issue, particularly in being parented by "sportspeople from x" categories (e.g. - it shouldn't be, because players for an area's team are necessarily from that area). Such problems are neither quickly fixed nor short-lived [1] (5+ years and counting for Haryana). SFB 13:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Sillyfolkboy: I think that's a problem we're going to run into no matter what the category tree is called, as the distinction you've mentioned above isn't immediately intuitive to new/inexperienced users. I think we really just have to deal with those edits as they appear – maybe something hidden in the code would help, or explicitly stating the purpose of the category (e.g. here). IgnorantArmies 14:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If it ain't broke, don't fix it per User:AssociateAffiliate above. Furthermore, the proposal misses a key point. Patrons in the earliest known centres of cricket such as Sussex, Kent, Surrey, Hampshire, Berkshire, Essex and Middlesex used to promote first-class county teams before any formal club was ever instituted. The name of the county team sponsored by the Hambledon Club in the 1770s was Hampshire, same as the one sponsored by Hampshire County Cricket Club in the 2010s. When we set up these categories several years ago, we decided to incorporate, for example, all Hampshire first-class players in Category:Hampshire cricketers. There is no difference in status between John Small and Malcolm Marshall: they both played first-class cricket for a team known as Hampshire which represented the traditional county of Hampshire. The scenario is repeated across several English counties and I have no doubt it is equally applicable to Australian states, West Indian islands and so on. The proposal has not been thought through and it just doesn't stand up against the sound reasoning used by WP:CRIC members when the categories were originally created. Jack | talk page 17:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @BlackJack: Would it make more sense to reword the club categories to "Hampshire cricket team" instead? Also, would you oppose the move if I excluded the English and Australian teams (where historical subtleties exist)? The biggest problem lies in categories like Category:Jamaica cricketers and Category:Jamaican cricketers. SFB 19:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the rationale from Jack. If new editors don't understand the subtleness of the categories, they can always be signposted to WT:CRIC for further help. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm not at all convinced there's a real problem here and agree with User:AssociateAffiliate's succinct analysis. Johnlp (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- Players are likely to live near where there team is based, but that will often not be where they were born. WP "from" <place> categories are purposely slightly fuzzy. A person may play for Hampshire, but have moved there from (say) Cornwall (a minor county for cricket). It is thus legitiamte to categoise him both as from Cornwall and from Hampshire, or as from Hampshire but as a Hampshire CCC Player. Similarly a player from Hampshire may play for Kent. Unfortunately life is not as simple as nom supposes. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think if anything, that backs up the nominator's point, rather than opposes it! Harrias talk 16:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for the same reasons as Jack, above. A further example: Category:Gentlemen cricketers and Category:Players cricketers, both wholly intelligible as they are, and in the same format as Category:Hampshire cricketers etc. For birthplace, [[Category:People/sportspeople/cricketers from ...]] works nicely. Narky Blert (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's completely irrelevant as they can't be mistaken for "Cricketers from Gentlemen". SFB 19:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snow stopped play? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, don't see how this can go any further. Can we close it now? Jack | talk page 16:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category by gender[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are needlessly small pure-navigation categories. No reason why the parents cannot happily contain the two men/women categories directly with the rest of the content. Note that where a topic covers more than just the men/women gender binary, the navigational grouping is more useful (e.g. the main parent Category:People by gender). SFB 17:00, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge these are not needed. Interestingly, no Slavic surnames are in the "surnames by gender" as often the wife of a man named '-ov' is '-ova' hence, to English constructs, different surnames. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Meaford, Staffordshire[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small hamlet with just 2 entries. ...William 16:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Especially as the two historical subjects are there through their birth at the family's Meaford Hall, Staffordshire. Highly unlikely that this will expand further to give a navigational benefit. SFB 16:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Richard Colburn[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category contains one redirect. No navigational use. Richhoncho (talk) 14:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No navigational benefit here. SFB 16:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Foundry Type Foundries[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Letterpress font foundries (implementing obvious capitalization and pluralization fixes). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We have a Category:Type foundries which does not specify whether it is a digital foundry or letter-press foundry. We have Category:Foundry Type Foundries which specifies that it not include digital/virtual foundries thus being the exact same as Category:Cold Type Foundries. The title of both of these categories does not make a lot of sense, I believe the accurate definition for a non-digital font foundry would be a letterpress font foundry that makes letterpress type characters for a printing press. David Condrey log talk 01:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Something I can't speak as to whether "Letterpress" is an appropriate adjective here, but the current name isn't proper English. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:31, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as long as the capitalisation is corrected, this isn't a proper name. The current type is not fit for purpose as it is not a real concept[2] nor does it have any plain English meaning. SFB 16:48, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Font Bureau typefaces[edit]

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2015 JAN 15 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category merged with article Font_Bureau. David Condrey log talk 01:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ifremeria[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Extreme case of WP:SMALLCAT: a genus with only a single described species (source), thus requiring multiple extraneous steps to navigate to the article. Adequately categorized in Category:Provannidae --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge Doesn't provide any navigational benefit. Should the genus expand significantly, I've no opposition to recreation. SFB 16:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alviniconcha[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT, there are only 6 described species in the genus Alviniconcha (until recently only a single described species) and all are currently redirects to the genus article, per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods#Proposal:_all_Alviniconcha_species_in_one_article this discussion. I might further add that every taxonomic group need not warrant a unique category. --Animalparty-- (talk) 01:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge Doesn't provide any navigational benefit. Should the genus expand significantly, I've no opposition to recreation. SFB 16:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Left-wing parties in Algeria[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category only contains one subcategory and no pages. It's redundant and serves no useful purpose. Charles Essie (talk) 00:33, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Unverified supercentenarians[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. After the bot works, someone should check to cleanup any articles that are in another subcategory. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm adding in verified supercentenarians because this is not a useful distinction. This is basically WP:Cherrypicking where editors are categorizing based on some sources (namely www.recordholders.org which is NOT a reliable source). The categories really should be Category:Supercentenarians verified by X (which I presume to be the Gerontology Research Group) based on the creator of these categories. As to unverified, if a person isn't verified, then that's a WP:FRINGE theory that the person lived to be at least 110 years old and why should they be included here at all? We wouldn't have a category of "People who claim to be Doctors but this is unverified", those would just be removed as unverified claims. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge If the subjects are defined as supercentenarians without significant controversy then that is reasonable enough to warrant inclusion (our usual criteria for any category). Others should be excluded. Questions of whose verification merits being designated as so is another issue. @Ricky81682: Can you also include the 4 American, Irish and English national subcategories? The same logic applies. SFB 16:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Included all of the subcategories (2 within each one). Note that the parent category Category:Centenarians does not have this distinction. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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