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Category:Consortium for North American Higher Education Collaboration[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:58, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: That a university/college is a member of this organization is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of the university/college. E.g. many of the articles make no mention of the organization in the article text (e.g. Selkirk College, University_of_Arizona). This category could be listified (e.g. to Consortium for North American Higher Education Collaboration or to a separate list page), but IMO it would be better to generate such a list from a WP:RS. For info: This is one of a series of CFDs for similar categories (e.g. see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_February_23#Category:Associated_Colleges_of_the_Midwest). DexDor (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- We have deleted numerous categorisation by association membership among univerities. No objection to listifying them in main article. This is a case of categoriy clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:55, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; not defining. (Note, of course, that not all consortium membership is non-defining. AAU membership, for example, is defining, and we properly have a category for it). Neutralitytalk 05:17, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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17th century BC[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as specified. MER-C 12:07, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE: this was later reversed for births & deaths categories,see Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people#RfC:_BC_births_and_deaths_categorization_scheme. – Fayenatic London 13:54, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Nominator's rationale: merge the first 16 categories per WP:SMALLCAT, each of these categories contains one article. After merging, the other categories become empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment please note that the exact year 1600 should probably be merged to the 16th rather than the 17th century. For the one article in this category, the exact year is uncertain anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support generally -- The Shang dynasty was established in c.1600 BC. It is better to treat it for century purposes as 1599 than 1601. There is not enough content at such remote periods to warrant annual and decade categories. The many layers are a hindrance, not a help to navigation. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge'; hyper-specification at such early dates impedes rather than promotes navigation. Neutralitytalk 05:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Such narrow divisions are not helping navigation of related material. SFB 18:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cricket miscellany[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 12:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unclear inclusion criteria. Tim! (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to Category:Cricket. We do not have categories for "sundry" bits & pieces, but move the contents up to the parent in such cases. – Fayenatic London 21:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Category:Cricket, the only parent. I assume that someone created this to avoid having articles in a container category, but that would be a mistaken policy. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Religion and mythology[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to wherever the members came from. MER-C 12:05, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF. There is nothing in these categories that is specifically about the relationship between religion and mythology. There's just a random selection taken from the mythology tree on the one hand and a random selection taken from the religion tree on the other hand. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment see also this earlier discussion which has meanwhile been closed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per discussion below the nomination to delete should be interpreted as a nomination to manually merge, then delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete all The first only has as direct member a few random Semitic religious notions; the second adds a category of deities to the mix. All the rest just contain the corresponding religion category. I don't see how this is the least bit useful. Mangoe (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and manual merge back to the categories that articles were moved from, e.g. [1] [2]. – Fayenatic London 11:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Manually merge/delete -- most have only a mythology child. Africa's maniun article is African traditional religion, which suggests renaming to that. That leaves "by culture" (with little else). Perhaps, we should keep the ultimate parent, at least for now until we can see the results of sorting the rest out. Some of the mythology children are very well populated, so that the probelm concerns proper parenting of these. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support manual merge back obviously. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your support. Unfortunately, merging back is not obvious; a "delete" decision is normally passed to a bot which simply edits pages that are currently in the category, and removes it. That is why "merge" and "delete" are different outcomes, and care is needed when nominating and !voting. – Fayenatic London 14:09, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point taken, I added a comment accompanying the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cricket by city[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Ricky81682 (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION. The category adds no value and it is a case of creating one for the sake of it. Is the author ever going to apply it to more than two cities only? No use to the cricket project. Jack | talk page 14:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women who notably have used a name that references surnames from both sides of their marriage/relationship[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, WP:SNOW. – Fayenatic London 13:12, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This fits right into WP:TRIVIALCAT, along with redheads and bald people. Nymf (talk) 14:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Category:Women who notably have used a name that references surnames from both sides of their marriage (redirect). BTW: all these cats are empty. Quis separabit? 18:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Otherwise, I look forward to, "Redheaded people who are now bald". --NeilN talk to me 14:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The topic identity is a big thing for women when they get married. I would like to hear some more female Wikipedian editor's views as to whether this cat should stay or go. GregKaye 14:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - 1) ungodly clunky, 2) surname choice is not a defining characteristic, 3) an exercise in point-making, as this stems from the bordering-on-tendentious discussion about a move request at Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton. Tarc (talk) 14:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a WP:NONDEFINING category. The titles are also ridiculously long and not exactly neutral. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- in addition to all the reasons above, I must add that it is one of the stupidest categories I have heard of. Quis separabit? 16:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Non-defining with a ridiculously long name. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy snow delete - per all the above, time to cut the drama. Kraxler (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Totally absurd category, created only to make a point, and confirming to this female Wikipedian that the debate the category creator is prolonging regarding Hillary Rodham Clinton is not at all based on any concern for the encyclopedia, but motivated by something else. And don't tell me to AGF on this one. Tvoz/talk 23:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Tarc In retrospect I actually agree with you that this category was written in support a point but would hope that you might agf with regard to the nature of that point. There are many women such as Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting who have changed their name and presented their personal preference as to the way that they would like that name presented but whose article titles retain the presentation such as Kaley Cuoco. You would be welcome to join the related discussion. At Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton I have encouraged that we work with policy to actually give justification for situations like this and, as far as I have seen, I am the only editor that has made any effort in this regard. The length of the content was in effort to make it inclusive. Please do not insult to make a point. Ping also Tvoz, Cwobeel

Category:6 Metre Sailing[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to avoid ambiguity. I have only just moved the main article to 6 Metre (keelboat), so this is not eligible for speedy renaming as C2D. Maybe C2C after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_February_10#Sailing_by_class? – Fayenatic London 14:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I moved 8 Metre (keelboat) to 8 Metre since it didn't need any disambiguation so the category should go to Category:8 Metre instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartskaft (talk • contribs) 17:11, 20 April 2015‎; comment moved from Speedy page.
    • Nevertheless, even if it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, "8 Metre" is a very generic name for a category, and I believe disambiguation would be desirable. – Fayenatic London 17:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as nominated per Fayenatic ; overly ambiguously named categories tend to collect unrelated junk making their utility questionable -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • REname as nom. "8 metre" would be a bad name, as its connotation would be unclear. Why should we hve an article apparently on a random length. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Windsurfing disciplines[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename following Category:Sailing by class, which is a better match for a pattern than the longer-standing parent Category:Sport disciplines. Alternatively, Category:Olympic windsurfing classes would follow Category:Olympic sailboat classes; all the 4 current member pages are Olympic classes. – Fayenatic London 14:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support fits in line with the sport's definitions. SFB 18:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. I have no idea what a "discipline" is supposed to be but the class breakout makes perfect sense. Mangoe (talk) 22:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian Olympians in World War II[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining and unclear inclusion criteria. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There will eventually be 50 Australian Olympians added to this list. This is a work in progress.User:Aussiesportlibrarian

  • Delete. "People who did X and at some other point in their lives did Y" is a bad form of categorization. If someone has been an Olympian and also notable for something else (e.g. as a TV presenter) then put them in both categories (and, if necessary in a combined category, but I'd prefer to see category intersection used for things like that). A "List of Australian Olympians who served in World War II" could also be considered. DexDor (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Medalist/Medallist categories[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. These category moves were previously proposed as speedy (C2C), but there were objections on WP:ENGVAR grounds. The proposal was deleted as stale after a couple of weeks. From what I can see in Category:Medalists at multi-sport events, "medalist" is spelled/spelt with a single L in every category but Category:Commonwealth Games medallists. There is clearly a WP:ENGVAR issue here. Does that mean that all countries are (or have been) part of the Commonwealth should have the double L? What about Britain's participation in the Olympics and Paralympics, and that of other Commonwealth nations? Should they be changed to double L? There's also inconsistent spelling within these categories: Pakistan's bronze category is spelled/spelt with single L, as is India's parent category. We need to bring the categories in line in some way. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename as above. Neutralitytalk 05:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support was meaning to do the same myself. I believe consistency in the Asian Games set is more desirable that consistency in the national set. SFB 18:34, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category: Songs about the extermination of indigenous peoples[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trees of Portugal[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge the first 8, not the last two. There is no consensus for the last two to be moved. Ricky81682 (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: That a tree species is found in a particular European country is a WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of the species. See, for example, the pile-up of categories at Pinus nigra. The Acer opalus article says "native to the hills and mountains of southern and western Europe, from Italy to Spain and north to southern Germany" which suggests that it's also in countries such as France and Austria. In short, countries (in Europe) are too fine grained to be DEFINING characteristics of trees. DexDor (talk) 06:00, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The UK category contains articles that are about organisations etc (e.g. The Tree Register) that do belong in a UK category. See, for example, Category:Birds in the United Kingdom. DexDor (talk)
I'd also be happy with the UK/Wales categories being selectively upmerged to Category:Trees of Europe then merged/renamed/reparented to Category:Individual trees of the United Kingdom (see comments below). DexDor (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a note to the nomination. DexDor (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:R-type contracts[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The only page in this category is already in Category:New York City Subway passenger equipment. This category has no parents. If kept tit should be renamed to make clear what it is about. DexDor (talk) 05:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not a topic that requires navigation at this point. SFB 18:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete Wildly confusingly-named, this is actually a category of all subway equipment built for the NYC Independent Subway System (IND) and for the combined system formed in the 1940 merger with the BMT and IRT. If a sub category of NYC subway equipment is needed, this is badly named, and the wrong way to divide things up in any case. Mangoe (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedia Signpost Coverage of women[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Ricky81682 (talk) 22:52, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge to duplicate category with correct categorization. DexDor (talk) 05:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Wikipedia Signpost" is a proper noun, "Wikipedia Signpost Coverage" (etc) isn't. DexDor (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per arguments presented by the nominator; Wikipedia Signpost coverage is proper.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:11, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Islamic Finance Scholar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Ricky81682 (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More appropriate category name. Alternatives - "Promoters of Islamic banking", "Islamic banking experts" etc could be considered. DexDor (talk) 05:25, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black Fraternal association[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as empty and C2E. – Fayenatic London 12:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is incorrectly named and (currently) has no parents. There are existing categories such as Category:Ethnic fraternal orders in the United States. DexDor (talk) 05:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Afaik there's nothing preventing a category under discussion at CFD being CSDed if eligible; it's happened many times. I certainly would have no objection. DexDor (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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