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January 3[edit]

Category:Encounters in Pakistan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 00:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category (only one article), unlikely (even in the case of a coup) to become large. The present article is already listed in appropriate categories. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please report to appropriate WikiProjects. I don't know enough about the area to determine. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Krypiakevych Institute of Ukrainian Studies research fellow[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ukrainian academics. Mz7 (talk) 01:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder (talk) 20:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Krymskyi Institute of Oriental Studies research fellows[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Krymskyi Institute of Oriental Studies people. Mz7 (talk) 01:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder (talk) 20:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Potebnia Institute of Linguistics research fellow[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ukrainian academics. Mz7 (talk) 01:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder (talk) 20:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:University of Kharkiv researchers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Mz7 (talk) 01:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which doesnt mention University of Kharkiv. Rathfelder (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I removed the sole article in this category because the article doesn't mention the university at all. Natureium (talk) 01:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Institute of History of Ukraine research fellow[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The category looks empty to me, so I just deleted it. Mz7 (talk) 02:00, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bakul Institute of Superhard Materials research fellow[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ukrainian scientists. Mz7 (talk) 02:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, with just a passing mention of his research fellowship. Rathfelder (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Palestinian researchers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the category has been deleted by User:Liz and no longer exists. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, about a person who is not actually a Palestinian. Rathfelder (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:MTV Award winners[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No such thing as an "MTV Award" - both MTV Award and MTV Music Award redirect to MTV Video Music Award which already has an extensive hierarchy at Category:MTV Video Music Awards Le Deluge (talk) 16:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ivy League academics[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This already exists for each of the individual schools. If for some reason this is deemed to be a necessary category, it should be only as a container category. Natureium (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Also the US term is faculty; eg Category:Harvard University faculty. Oculi (talk) 16:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete we do not categorize academics by the sports league their university belongs to.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:00, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per JPL; we categorize academics by school, not by the sports conference the school belongs to. We don't have a "Big South academics" category. The sports league is not relevant to the academics part. This seems like an "elite academics" category, which of course is too subjective. Levivich (talk) 21:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:SNOW close. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 06:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:African-American football quarterbacks[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 26#Category:African-American football quarterbacks. ~ Rob13Talk 05:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic per WP:CATDEF; non-notable intersection of race and football position Natureium (talk) 16:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the ERGS rules say avoid the lowest level intersection. This is especially true of ethnicity categories often applied more as race categories. Unless you can convince me that men like Ezekiel Ansah who never set foot in the US before college are being excluded from African-American categories I am unconvinced they are anything other than race categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and make it a sub-category of Category:African-American players of American football. Aside from that category, we also have similar categories (e.g., Category:Jewish golfers, Category:Female bullfighters). I know, WP:OSE, but the quarterback position in the NFL has historically (and to this day) had very few AA players. AA QBs, and their rarity, are often discussed by reliable sources, and cited as an example of systemic racism. When an individual AA QB is written about in the media, it's often noted that they are one of the few AA QBs. I think in this case, AA QB is a notable sub-category of AA football players, per RSes. For example: [1] [2] [3] [4] Levivich (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify. Per WP:OCEGRS, there needs to be potential for a substantial article (not just a list) for the topic to be made an ethnic-based subcategory. I don't think it is the case here, however a list would be admissible IMHO. Place Clichy (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:India political party color templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 00:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Empty: redundant to Category:India political party colour templates, which should be used on all such pages in any case per ENGVAR. Vanamonde (talk) 07:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jews and Judaism in Ankara[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89(T·C) 23:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. There is no need to merge because the article is already in Category:Places of worship in Ankara and in Category:Synagogues in Turkey. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Churches by city (France)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge all per this concurrent CfD with similar arguments. ~ Rob13Talk 05:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 article and/or 1 (Roman Catholic) subcategory. See also this earlier nomination which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to all categories which are currently small. It is for cats which "by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme".
I checked the first five categories nominated. All one of those has a subcat for churches of RC denomination. Whatever your intention here, the effect of this merger is that non-Catholic churches in those cities will not be categorised as churches within the same area. That is not an NPOV outcome. (If your aim was to promote the hardline Catholic view that non-Catholic churches are not "real" churches, this would be a good way of doing it).
This whole process of trying to rip out layers of container categories is fundamentally mistaken, because it pointlessly disrupts the consistency of the category system. That makes it harder to maintain and to navigate.
By removing this layer from cities where we do already have a reasonable number of articles per city, a reader looking at the set of churches-by-city categories would get the false impression that there are few or no articles on churches in that city.
The category system is a directional lattice based on consistency. Removing intermediate parts of that lattice because the article structure is underdeveloped undermines one of the pillars of that consistency principle, with no advantage to readers or editors. It is a pointless, disruptive make-work, both now and in the future when those categories are needed. See WP:DEMOLISH. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Most/Neutral on Lille, Nice, Reims, and Versailles 12 of the 16 categories have no non-Catholic churches so it's hard to see what the categories provide. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge categories should be based on articles we have, not some mythic hope for future articles. The fact is most non-Catholic Church buildings are not notable, so the population of these categories seems unlikely.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Stateless people from Thailand[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Stateless people and Category:Thai people. ~ Rob13Talk 05:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse parent. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 06:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)nati[reply]
  • I think stateless people is just a too small group of people for diffusing by country in any way. Or at least coverage of this group of people by Wikipedia is too limited to do that. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've thought a bit more about this, and the nationality law category is probably the best choice here; revoking my opposition. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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