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Category:Athletics Asian Indoor champions templates[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 09:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge since the parent only has this category in it. Alternatively, it could be renamed to Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships winners navigational boxes if the current structure is to be maintained for growth of the parent cat. -- 2pou (talk) 23:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy discussion for reference
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"Athletics Champions" templates/navboxes[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contested C2C speedy due to another parent category difference. Both discrepancies should be aligned with parents now. -- 2pou (talk) 22:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contested C2C speedy due to a second parent category difference. The proposed rename is now updated. I'm not sure why the words were ordered the way they are in the existing name, it doesn't look like the parent article (European Athletics Indoor Championships) had a move/name change behind it. -- 2pou (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy discussion for reference
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Category:Gongsun Du and associates[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 22#Category:Gongsun Du and associates

Category:Disasters in fiction[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fiction about disasters. – Fayenatic London 18:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The "in" is not necessary, per articles like disaster film. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:58, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This would limit the scope to a single genre. Dimadick (talk) 09:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dimadick: Per WP:NONDEF, if it is not explicitly about disasters, and only contains a disaster as a plot point, it should not be there. That automatically reduces the scope to disaster fiction only. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Dimadick is right, nominator is once again far from understanding fictional media contents. And his very narrow interpretation of NONDEF is a disaster. --Just N. (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the proposed title makes it more clear that only films about disasters should be categorized, not films in which a disaster plays an incidental role. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Fiction about disasters, per other subcats of Category:Works about disasters. I think "disaster fiction" is less clear without context. - jc37 13:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Sports in X, Louisiana[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Opelousas is small town which has only 3 articles on sports-related subjects and no active notable team since 1941. Rayne is even smaller and has only 2 related articles. User:Namiba 17:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with no prejudice against re-creation if and when... I've recently gone through all the small US "sport by town" categories expanding where I could. Some of them just couldn't be expanded at present. Grutness...wha? 04:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all per nom. WP:SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge all per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Athletics World Indoor champions templates[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. There are various siblings in Category:Athletics champions navigational boxes that drop "Championships", "Games" etc before "champions"/"winners". – Fayenatic London 12:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Original Speedy discussion: (signing up here to fix timestamp issues) 2pou (talk) 17:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for feedback on if the category should follow the exact parent conventions or if changing the name to reflect individuals vice the larger event is ever used. 2pou (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Upcoming car models scheduled for 2022[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. The categories were speedily deleted by the creator's request per G7. bibliomaniac15 17:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTCRYSTAL, production/sales start dates can and often do change. No merge needed since articles are still in original Upcoming car models category. Vossanova o< 17:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@No Great Shaker: Just going to point out that these were created via discussion at Talk:IM L7, with "Cars introduced in YYYY" is past tense and should not be used for cars that have not yet been introduced. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Athletics World Cup champions templates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 10:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Originally tagged as a speedy C2C rename, but Gonnym pointed out that there was some additional confusion. Looks like Atheletics World Cup was rebranded in 2019, and after the page moved, this particular subcat did not follow. Secondarily, placing into the navbox category tree per the original speedy. 2pou (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy discussion for reference
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Category:Shopping malls[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 27#Category:Shopping malls

Category:Shopping malls by type[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 27#Category:Shopping malls by type

Category:Arab prophets of Islam[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 13:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: option A: rename to clarify that the Arab ethnicity is POV categorization. This option withdrawn after Asmodea Oaktree's comment below. Option B: purge and remove Abraham, Ishmael and Job from the category. In this case the category name can stay as is. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • True. If I had known in advance that the category would also be populated with Abraham, Ishmael and Job I would not have come up with the suggestion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is wrong in it? Abraham and Ishmael are the ancestor of the Arabs, Arabia includes Maqam Ibrahim and Hijr Ismail, Northern Arabs calls themselves "The people of Abraham and sanctuary of Ishmael", However, Yeah Job is disputed because Edomites are very sometimes considered Arabs, but the prophet Muhammad is the direct descendant of Ishmael s/o Abraham, who is clearly accepted as an Arab, Abraham is considered as the father of both Arabs and Hebrews, thus adding Category:Arab prophets of Islam and Category:Israelite prophets of Islam in Abraham is clearly alright. Hth-Oguz Han (talk)
  • As mentioned in the stricken part of the nomination, this is POV categorization. Abraham and Ishmael are not referred to as Arabs in the Hebrew Bible. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abraham is directly or indirectly refered to as the father of Arabs, through his first-born son Ishmael. (Genesis 21:11–13) However, it is not to discuss about Hebrew Bible version, this category is about the Islamic doctrine, in case According to Islam and Judaism, Abraham is the father of Adnanite Arabs and Israelites, in Islam, he rebuilt Kaaba in present day Mecca, and preached the Arabs along with his son Ishmael, further the pre-Islamic Adnanites followed the Hanif monotheistic faith (The Arab Abrahamism). Hth-Oguz Han (talk)
  • Comment Just commenting that, yes, this category is now empty. Liz Read! Talk! 01:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Israelite prophets of Islam[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran. However, where the nominated category contains e.g. David and the target already contains David in Islam, I'm assuming that it is not necessary to merge such corresponding pages about the same character; there are already sufficient other links to navigate between the articles. – Fayenatic London 13:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a related new discussion can be found here. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Safavid governors of Bitlis[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 13:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Impact of the Columbine High School massacre on cinema[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Oddly titled WP:NONDEF category containing a smattering of films that had to be tweaked because of then-current events (which was minor in nearly every instance). The nearly identical Category:Media affected by the Columbine High School Massacre was previously deleted for being trivial. Nohomersryan (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Impact of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In this category, we have two TV episodes that were delayed, two movies that had postponed premieres, and three songs that were briefly taken off the radio. That's about as WP:NONDEFINING as it gets; all of these works were made or in production well before the shooting even happened and the "impact" is completely forgettable all these years later. The main Sandy Hook category is already pretty small and contains all the "serious" pages that could potentially go here. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Manitoba by ethnic or national origin[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manual merge, to Canadian parent, only where needed. – Fayenatic London 22:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by triple intersection of nationality, ethnicity and individual province of residence. Wikipedia does not have an existing practice of subdividing "[Nationality] people of [ethnicity] descent" into separate subcategories for each individual province or state within a country; no other US state or Canadian province has categories like this, and Manitoba does not need special treatment that the others aren't getting. The same person who recently created these has also, in some instances, concurrently started other provincial groupings for a couple, but not all, of these ethnicities, which still isn't warranted and will be batched separately. Bearcat (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We have Booian-Fooian categories at the national level for many countries, yes. We do not subdivide them into categories at the state or provincial level. Bearcat (talk) 15:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 05:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to relevant Canadian people categories where appropriate, per Marcocapelle. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge per the above (though I note nearly all are already in the appropriate parent category). UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge to relevant Canadian people categories where appropriate, per Marcocapelle. --Just N. (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People with migraine[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 16:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Hardly defining. Many, many people have migraine without it being a defying characteristic no more than having toothache or acne. Egghead06 (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as verifiable yet non-defining per WP:COPDEF. Even in people with really bad migraines, and/or to whom fans have devoted large sections, this condition is not defining. I would eventually like to see heavy scrutiny and purging, if not outright deletion, of many health conditions at Category:People by medical or psychological condition. But for now the most trivial, lowest hanging fruit should be picked. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Defining for migraine advocates like Jo Beckwith. Certainly defining in the case of Anne Conway (philosopher) who was well documented as a sort of medical experiment and whose philosophy is influenced by her experience with migraine pain (the latter not cited in the article but is in "A Philosopher and Her Headaches: The Tribulations of Anne Conway" and "The Central Role of Suffering in Anne Conway's Philosophy"). Basic google news search demonstrates migraine is defining (at least for the past year or two) for Nolan Patrick. As well, Lewis Carroll has an entire section dedicated to his migraine and epilepsy which suggests its at least somewhat defining. It may not be defining for everyone who has experienced a migraine but for wikinotables who have chronic migraine, it is often very much defining (can provide more examples but trying to keep it brief). If kept, there should be a note added at the top of the category that it's about migraine as a chronic condition and not just having a bad headache. (In the interest of transparency, I did create the category.) Samsmachado (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 05:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't think this is a defining trait. Close to 40 million people in the United States alone have migraines. While surely a nuisance, it doesn't seem like an important fact related to the bulk of the people in this category. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. NONDEF applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish families[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename per option A and hyphenate. bibliomaniac15 22:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

or alternatively:

Can we agree a pattern one way or the other? Then we could speedily nominate whichever of the dozen similar categories dont fit.

Nominator's rationale: Rathfelder (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 05:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Don't know about the convention in North America and elsewhere but in GB it is usual to hyphenate per Marcocapelle's example. The main thing here is consistency. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I dont detect much enthusiasm here. Shall we leave things as they are? Rathfelder (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not at all, so far there is clear consensus for alignment one way or the other. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Big Talk Productions films[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep and rescope to be films only. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 17:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The scope note says films and TV series. Fuddle (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rescope Television production should be moved to another category. Dimadick (talk) 21:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per No Great Shaker| and Marco. --Just N. (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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