Category:1818 establishments in Illinois Territory[edit]
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Most of these establishments took place before Illinois became a state. The transition happened by December 3rd. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many are political positions that were established when Illinois was granted statehood. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is also true. I won't oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale:WP:EGRS/I: intersection of ethnicity and occupation (and sometimes gender) is not defining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 21:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, as it is not because you have Armenian ancestors that your music automatically is Armenian music. Indeed, articles for which the subject is commonly and consistently defined as Armenian singer/musician/composer in reliable sources should be merged to the category so named. Place Clichy (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: overlapping under populated category Mason (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Spanish people in the Spanish Philippines[edit]
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Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat: People of Spanish colonial Philippines Mason (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge for now with no prejudice to recreation when it is populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Updated target to WP:CFD/S process. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Viceroyalty of New Granada[edit]
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Merge per nom. About the dual merge, although the Dutch Republic, the Batavian Republic and the Kingdom of Holland are different political regimes that preceded the present-day Netherlands with slightly different borders, they are in essence the same nation, and Dutch applies to all of them. Place Clichy (talk) 23:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But businesspeople and painters are a very defining intersection with the Dutch Republic (per Dutch Golden Age). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Belonging to an artistic movement is notable and defining. In this case, this is reflected by:
Single merge per Place Clichy. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of the Dutch East Indies of Chinese descent[edit]
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No way! What a mess. Merge all. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: This and all subcategories should be deleted as WP:EGRS/I violations; these intersections are not defining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose, this nomination is only meaningful when the subcategories are nominated in conjunction (listed and tagged). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
KeepViking explorers, selectively merge the rest. When I saw Arab explorers I expected to find travelers from the Arab Golden Age such as Ibn Battuta, but I found the likes of Iraqi journalist Younis Bahri (1900–1979), which shows how such a category can be wrongly used. Per WP:CATDEF, we primarily define people by their nationality, and ethnicity is only worth mentioning if it has a substantial bearing on both the topic and the individual, according to reliable sources. Taking the example of Ibn Battuta, today both categorized in Berber explorers and Moroccan explorers (as well as 14th-century Berber people and 10 other travel-related categories), his Berber background is not pertinent enough to his career and travels to justify a category, as opposed for instance to his education as a Maliki scholar or his status in Merinid Marocco. The chronological ethnic category and the national occupation category are sufficient to define him. Place Clichy (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: Bahrain Bourse (BHB) is the only licensed stock exchange of the Kingdom of Bahrain source. We don't need a category for a single entry. Uhooep (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's bad practice to empty a category prior to CfD. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know. I've undone the action. Uhooep (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reverting that emptying, Uhooep. If this discussion closes as Delete, then the category will be emptied. LizRead!Talk! 17:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not part of a large established tree, only 40 out of 200 countries have a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholic preparatory schools in the United States by state[edit]
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The result of the discussion was:merge. Note that the nominated categories were both moved per WP:C2 during the discussion (from "foo by state" to "foo by state or territory"). (non-admin closure)HouseBlastertalk 20:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom, only one subcategory in each. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: overlapping, underpopulated, category where the intersection with the political regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Ottoman Empire of Albanian descent[edit]
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Nominator's rationale:delete, Albania was part of the Ottoman Empire so a separate descent category is not very meaningful in this case. "Albanian" is not defining for the one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I do wonder if creating a redirect to People of Albanian descent OR Albanian people from the Ottoman Empire, might be helpful in discouraging the page's recreation Mason (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Done 21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC) Edward-Woodrow • talk 21:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
