Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Autumn

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Autumn[edit]

(convenience links: subject articles Autumn and Winter)

Delete. Where, you ask, are Portal:Spring and Portal:Summer? Perhaps they were smart enough to realize that multi-page portals like these are a terrible way to navigate the seasons, because they do not meet the breadth-of-subject-area requirement of the WP:POG guideline. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I was working on these two but did not get the nom statements done because I found the entire Easter category in Autumn and went to fix that. These are grab bags of randomness Legacypac (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Easter does fall in the Autumn in the Southern Hemisphere. Which illustrates another problem with these portals. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:48, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed which is why I don't think Easter should be under spring either. Winter where? I live in Malaysia part time where we have no winter at all. The topics are so locational they make no sense for a portal. Legacypac (talk) 06:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete

- Old portal, 39 subpages, created 2008-09-09 13:35:07 by User:Juliancolton. A joke, not a navigation tool. Portal:Autumn

- Old portal, 47 subpages, created 2008-12-22 17:08:20 by User:Juliancolton. Another joke, not a navigation tool. Portal:Winter

Pldx1 (talk) 07:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per picture examples. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 13:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pldx1. Call my work a "joke" and you'll get no cooperation from me. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:36, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sorry. The famous Winter toque of Philip II of Spain and the Autumn Shaun Carney were looking as jokes. But they weren't, since you say so. Pldx1 (talk) 14:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Deferring !vote. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Dear User:Juliancolton. Displaying King Philip II of Spain, wearing the Spanish Tocado, late 1500s. Painting by Sofonisba Anguissola as a way to describe what winter could be was not a joke. At least you have asserted that it was not. Please, could you elaborate further and explain what it was. Pldx1 (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid you've lost me. Where do you see that image or text in Portal:Winter? I don't remember having anything to do with it, and Special:Whatlinkshere/File:Portrait of Philip II of Spain by Sofonisba Anguissola - 002b.jpg shows no usage related to the portals in question. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:25, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go to Portal:Winter, and click on the arrows just below Selected general articles. And the winter toque of Philip II will appear. You will also get the Patbingsu (팥빙수) page. I understand that shaved ice red beans dessert contains ice, but this is rather an all seasons dessert, with a probable peak during hot seasons. Perhaps should we add Greentea patbingsu to the Autumn portal, due to the color harmony of this one with the concept of Autumn. Moreover, adding Spring and Autumn period as well as Autumn and Spring would provide some more internationalization. We can also say: stop the experiment, this doesn't work. Pldx1 (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The images in this MfD appear to all be derived from the automated versions of the portals. For example, see This version of Portal:Winter and the "winter" images herein are nowhere to be found. As such, the use of images such as this within the discussion may serve to bias the discussion, whereby users may only focus on the present version of the portal and not think to check if there are any pre-automated versions existent. Perhaps this type of illustration should not be used in future discussions, because it's not presenting an entirely accurate representation relative to the actual history of the portal. The images and commentary about them herein is used in a mocking, scolding manner, to promote the deletion of the portals, but a representation of images that were present prior to the portals' automation is unfortunately entirely omitted, and as such, likely not considered. Now we have a portal creator being criticized herein for the presence of images that they did not add, and being asked for an explanation about them, as though if they did something wrong. Pldx1, please consider researching matters more thoroughly in the future, because user's should not be subjected to queries to explain themselves for actions they did not perform. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Delete, unless Juliancolton cares to convert me. Seems a very odd idea for a portal, particularly per Legacypac's point that the specific dates depend on the hemisphere. The selected articles on winter in the hand-curated version are a rather ill-assorted selection, partly based on featured articles on minor/limited relevance topics, partly on festivals that are only applicable to a single hemisphere. Autumn seems even more random. However, reviewers should note that Pldx1's comments above apply to the automated version, which is entirely different from the original one by Juliancolton. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - What a typical discussion about portals! Top and foremost, it fair to quote and illustrate what the readers are facing to when they open this or that portal. Moreover, saying the images in this MfD appear to all be derived from the automated versions of the portals is plainly wrong and deceptive. For a simple reason: while Winter has been automated, Autumn remains based on the original subpages. Both portals, created 2008 by User:Juliancolton went abandoned circa 2010. Nine years later, at Portal:Fall/Selected article/1, we have apple. One of the founding articles of Wikipedia ! This article contains four times winter, three times spring, three times summer and two times autumn. A great autumn topic, indeed. At Portal:Fall/Selected article/7, we have the already quoted Shaun Carney picture, but autumn is never used in this article. At Portal:Fall/Selected article/8, we have 2005 Oklahoma vs. Texas football game. This great article about Autumn was deleted 2017, but is piously kept at the portal (more probably, this went unnoticed, since nobody cares about). Therefore, pretending that "old style Portal:Autumn is a navigation tool" sounds as a joke, no more, no less. Concerning the other one, TTH took the rightful editorial decision of nuking everything circa April 2018. The subpages remain here and can be read by anyone who want to. And noboby argued against the nuking, there was nothing to argue. The automated version used as substitute has its own failures, and the result is another joke. Finally, we have a portal creator being criticized herein [...] and being asked for an explanation [...] as though if they did something wrong. This another deceptive manner of rewriting the events. Both portals were created 2008 by User:Juliancolton. This is a fact. Then they went abandoned circa 2010. This is another fact and a great occasion to invoke WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. And when someone criticized my description of the 2019 versions as a joke rather than as a navigation tool, it was only fit to ask for an explanation. Keep focused on what is discussed, and --maybe-- have a bingsu, we are either in winter or in summer, aren't we ? Pldx1 (talk) 09:55, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - These were abandoned portals, which were then replaced by automation, and automated portals are a non-starter (or a stopper). Robert McClenon (talk) 01:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not a useful topic for a portal, given that most subjects will only be related by an arbitrary temporal alignment with autumn (in part of the world). --RL0919 (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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