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General[edit]

Czechoslovakia women's junior national softball team[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:NTEAM because of a lack of coverage from RS. Let'srun (talk) 17:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zoraya ter Beek[edit]

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I really don't see the purpose of this article. This was a private individual who chose to die under Netherlands long ago passed euthanasia laws. Her death is unlikely to change anything regarding the Netherlands euthanasia policy, and thus does not pass WP:LASTING. All coverage is about her death and thus is a WP:BLP1E and fails WP:NOTNEWS. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's not her death, but her personal process of advocating euthanasia rights that matters. Victomrya (talk) 00:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (highly selective) into Euthanasia in the Netherlands. Worthy of one sentence there. gidonb (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands per nom. I agree with gidonb that the subject of this article might deserve maybe one sentence in the Euthanasia in the Netherlands article, but there's really nothing of substance to merge. In addition to the WP:NOTNEWS aspect, there are barely any reliable news sources about ter Beek as well. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:BLP1E. No article about her in Dutch Wikipedia, and nothing about her in the their article on Euthanasia in the Netherlands. This looks like "news" planted by the "slippery slope" campaigners against assisted dying: the Guardian says "An article about her case, published in April, was picked up by international media" (published where?) and she says herself that that coverage was "had many inaccuracies and misrepresentations ". She died, legally, end of story. PamD 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands, article and sources don't show sufficient notability for WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 22:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands where she merits a brief mention. Star Mississippi 01:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elmslie typology[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the typology in reliable sources. I found several mentions, but they were brief. toweli (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The typology is potentially important and is often referred to but full publication and critical discussion are hard to find. In fact, this article is one of the fullest detailed explanations easily available, yet is lacking in citations back to RS original publication or critical coverage. Would suggest we need an article on this typology but serious revision is in order to tackle the source issues. Monstrelet (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A necessary counterpart to the Oakshott system for double-edged blades. I agree that better sourcing is necessary, but I see no need to trim back to only the sourced parts. Most low-rated articles lack full sourcing.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Communion of Western Orthodox Churches[edit]

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The only independent source given, Thöle, only mentions the CWOC in passing. I can't find any source that actually covers their activities. There's no evidence that this communion is more than a loose agreement of three small like-minded denominations. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Investigate Europe[edit]

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None of the sources that mention the subject cover it in depth, so fails the WP:SIRS test, and so fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As AFC reviewer, I'm a keep here. The article probably needs a bit of work, but it does appear to meet WP:NMEDIA#Newspapers, magazines and journals on the surface, and appears to have been used and cited in a number of different reliable publication, as well as received coverage in various non-English sources, mainly French and Germans (see fr:Investigate_Europe for some more examples of this). I think that WP:GNG is met in this instance. Mdann52 (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Country-specific[edit]

Albania[edit]

Embassy of Italy, Tirana[edit]

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Article is based on 1 primary source and merely confirms it exists. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 07:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Like many other embassies, this one occupies an architecturally significant building. The corresponding article in the Albanian Wikipedia at sq:Ambasada_Italiane_në_Tiranë, provides some information abut the building's status as a Cultural Monument of Albania that I have added to the English article. Several photos of the embassy are on Commons at commons:Category:Embassy_of_Italy,_Tirana. It is always a good idea to check an article's counterpart in the Wikipedias of other languages before nominating it for deletion. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I disagree with Eastmain, the fact that other languages have content on a subject does not mean that it is notable. I am not able to read AR and ARZ Wikipedia (I'm not even sure which languages they are without looking it up) but it looks like they may have more sources. I was not able to find any sources with a quick search but one may have to use other languages or look up a different phrase. ✶Qux yz ✶ 13:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Listed cultural monuments will have documentation on file with the corresponding authorities; I see no reason to believe this one wouldn't. I can't read Albanian but some Gsearch and Gtranslate brings up at least a few mentions of this building. Oaktree b (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's the listing: https://iktk.gov.al/site/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Vendim-nr.-32-date-07.02.2023-Ambasada-Italiane.pdf Oaktree b (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps redirect to the "Cultural Monument of Albania"? Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Andorra[edit]

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Erasmus Student Network Armenia[edit]

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Local branch of Erasmus Student Network, no independent notability. Broc (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- Working on expanding the article. ESN Armenia is quite active and one of the more notable student organizations within the country. English publications may be limited as most of the content referencing the org is in Armenian. Will continue to expand with refs. Any help is appreciated :) Archives908 (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a subsection of Erasmus Student Network. I do not think it is bad that the information is out there if verifiable and noteworthy enough to mention specifically, though ESN Armenia is hardly notorious enough to warrant their own WP article, considering that there are 44 national, and even more regional ESN network organisations. Note also that Erasmus Student Network Yerevan has also been created, and would merit the same treatment. --Konanen (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Austria[edit]

Prince Ludwig of Wettin[edit]

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I am not convinced this person exists. Louis Frederick of Saxe-Hildburghausen is listed as his father, but that article says he was childless. He is listed as being made a cardinal but none of the lists of cardinals created between 1741 and 1830 list his name. He is listed as an archbishop of Olomouc but List of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops of Olomouc does not mention him or have any gaps during his lifetime. The German Wikipedia article that text is apparently copied from is about a different person. I cannot find him mentioned in the online copies of either of the article's references. Various Google / online book searches only turn up text from this article and unrelated princes called Ludwig. Mgp28 (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a misreading of sources or a hoax. Mccapra (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No citations. Contradicts other articles that say his supposed father was childless. Probable hoax. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Schleicher[edit]

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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL ^(talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL ^(talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas ^(talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCL^TALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCL^TALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCL^TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FortunateSons 48JCL^TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the comments left by the reviewer:

Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

48JCL^TALK 11:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adjustierung[edit]

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It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, the words listed could just be added to Glossary of German military terms. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Austrian Open[edit]

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$5000 tournament at bwf international level which doesn't meet the notability criteria WP:GNG, WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBAD. The only notable ones which get enough coverage in notable websites are World Tour tournaments.

Moreover the tournament winners are already mentioned here in Austrian International page as each of those editions can't be created on their own due to notability issue.zoglophie^•talk• 08:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, was unable to find non-primary sources. ✶Qux yz ✶ 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – As WP:ATD. The event is ongoing and the article was recently created, if there are more sources they can be added accordingly. Svartner (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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LYCONET[edit]

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Fails notability with reliable sources being primarily about Lyoness. Related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MyWorld. IgelRM (talk) 21:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Morakot Sriswasdi[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 09:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge It might be more relevant to create a section for Thai ambassadors in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_(Thailand)

Individual ambassadors might not merit a stand alone page.

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Redirect to Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Thailand) per nomination. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The merge suggestion was made by the first commenter, not the nominator. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Does not meet the notability criteria. --TadejM ^{my talk} 12:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm not sure why we would redirect to Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Thailand). If there is no "List of Thai Ambassadors to Laos" or "List of Thai Ambassadors to Austria" then I would just delete without any redirect needed. Uhooep (talk) 17:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment Agreed. --TadejM ^{my talk} 09:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge/redirect. Not mentioned at target, and it wouldn't be appropriate to do so. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are plenty of news mentions, but virtually all of it is in the context of her official capacity. She was featured in The Cloud's "Talk With Ambassadors" podcast[1], but that's also mostly about her work. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:BIO. Oppose redirect to Ministry of Foreign Affairs. LibStar (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There is absolutely nothing to merge. it is far more when we consider pages per WP:ATD, hence this article doesnt meet minimal inclusion as if doesnt meet WP:SNG. Please deletion will save us those time. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Azerbaijan[edit]

Embassy of Egypt, Baku[edit]

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Depending on how one considers the embassy, fails WP:NBUILDING / WP:NORG / WP:GNG. There's just no coverage. There are some mentions of the embassy in Azerbaijani state media (like Azertag, Azernews), which are not independent from the subject, given that they are publicly-owned and tightly controlled by the regime (RSF and Freedom House give some of the lowest marks for media freedom to Azerbaijan). Pilaz (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG. The last paragraph isn't even about the embassy. LibStar (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miskin Abdal[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. References cited are unclear, poorly formatted and mostly incapable of verification. Unencyclopedic tone. Created and edited by sockpuppets. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 16:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Although the article indeed has a lot of problems, these cannot be a reason for deletion. (The most major issue is the large amount of unsourced content, which may simply be removed.) The topic appears to be notable. There is significant coverage among a multitude of sources:[2][3][4][5][6] (The last two sources are solely on the details of his life and works.) Aintabli (talk) 03:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not find any references to the information added to the wiki page in the citations you provided. All I found were statements by those authors and nothing else. HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are 5 links, 2 being sources solely about him. I doubt you checked any of them. Your comment and vote below basically disregards what AfD is meant to be for. On top of this, we can all see you created your account 6 minutes before commenting here. Welcome back, I guess! Aintabli (talk) 02:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have checked all your citations from 1 to 5. None of them has any references to the claims made in them and in this Wikipedia article. If you think that I missed them, then you are welcome to present any documentations. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the point of those links. Aintabli (talk) 14:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look to this page https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskin_Abdal. There are a lot of absurd statements, like Safavid King Sultan Hossain visited some village in nowadays republic of Armenia. Safavid King Ismail gave an order to M. Abdal and etc. They are absurd, because kings' orders were not given to anybody, but kept in chancery or diwan. There is no record of King Sultan Hossain visiting some village in that region. It seems articles about this person are hoaxes. HeritageGuardian (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Azerbaijani-language version has nothing to do with the English Wikipedia. Aintabli (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, clearly meets WP:GNG per [7], which is already cited in the article. Psychastes (talk) 18:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to read this citation. I see that it was published in 2001. What kind of document or any evidence it has? thx HeritageGuardian (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the citation 6 at https://ia801605.us.archive.org/26/items/huseyn-ismayilov-miskin-abdal-2001/H%C3%BCseyn%20%C4%B0smay%C4%B1lov%20-%20Miskin%20Abdal%20%20-%202001.pdf. It is the same as citation 5 in previous log. There is no references to any documents. HeritageGuardian (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - references to this article do not cite any documents that could support claims made in it. All of them are opinions of their authors.HeritageGuardian (talk) 21:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sridharan Madhusudhanan[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Marked for notability concerns since 2018. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Poor sources with no significant coverage on the biography of the subject. Page about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced is not noteworthy. Fails WP:BIO. RangersRus (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leyla Abdullayeva[edit]

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NO GNG. Created for advertising and PR purposes. --Correspondentman (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The other language Wikipedias seem to have a better sourced version of this, with around ten separate sources, however I'm not sure about their quality.

=== Russian language ===

[8] [9] [10] [11] [12]

=== Azerbaijani Wikipedia ===

[13]

Testeraccount101 (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close, because AFD is made by sock of the banned user. User:Correspondentman is banned in Azerbaijani Wikipedia as a sock of User:Elshad Iman (Elşad İman). Here is the discussion. He (User:Elshadiman) has been banned on English Wikipedia for sockpuppetry. You might check the archive through this page Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Elshadiman/Archive. On top of that he continues to use the same sock accounts in English Wikipedia that he used in azwiki: User:Redaksiya, User:90AA123 and User:Correspondentman, which has only 36 edits, all in AFD. Sock accounts cannot create AFDs. — Toghrul R (t) 06:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't meet the minimal inclusion for a journalist. Sources are PR as well as doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aleksandr Anichenko[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment- She has participated in more than 3 Olympic [14] while presenting her country, She ought to be notable. Otbest (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NSKATE and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 03:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Belgium[edit]

Wired (demoparty)[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties. toweli (talk) 20:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties, as an WP:AtD. --Mika1h (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soccer at the 1986 International Cerebral Palsy Games[edit]

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No evidence of notability found. Tournament has no article, match results are missing for many games, sources are databases, location is a small village. Fram (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The location notwithstanding, there is no demonstrable coverage of the event, failing GNG. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Location is important (as part of the rationale) as the village has only a very small football stadium[15], so it's not as if this was an event at some major location with potentially thousands of visitors and an increased chance of good coverage. If this tournament had been played at e.g. the King Baudouin Stadium, then it would seem more likely that there was national or international coverage we just haven't found yet. Fram (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rewired (demoparty)[edit]

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Not a notable event; no secondary coverage. Walsh90210 (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Demoscene#List of demoparties as an WP:AtD. --Mika1h (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Bulgaria[edit]

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Devora Radeva[edit]

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Others[edit]

CCG Profiles (via WP:PROD on 7 September 2023)

Croatia[edit]

Others[edit]

Czech Republic[edit]

Prince Ludwig of Wettin[edit]

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I am not convinced this person exists. Louis Frederick of Saxe-Hildburghausen is listed as his father, but that article says he was childless. He is listed as being made a cardinal but none of the lists of cardinals created between 1741 and 1830 list his name. He is listed as an archbishop of Olomouc but List of Roman Catholic bishops and archbishops of Olomouc does not mention him or have any gaps during his lifetime. The German Wikipedia article that text is apparently copied from is about a different person. I cannot find him mentioned in the online copies of either of the article's references. Various Google / online book searches only turn up text from this article and unrelated princes called Ludwig. Mgp28 (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a misreading of sources or a hoax. Mccapra (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No citations. Contradicts other articles that say his supposed father was childless. Probable hoax. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Czechoslovakia women's junior national softball team[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:NTEAM because of a lack of coverage from RS. Let'srun (talk) 17:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Josef Kopecký[edit]

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With only database source listed, the article of this one-time Olympics participant clearly fails WP:GNG. According to Results on Sports Reference, Kopecký was not in the top three winners of 1936 Summer Olympics. He also had not gained any medal record. My Google search came up with similar namesakes.

I would also consider footballer of the same name for deletion due to possible dubious info. I also couldn't find anything to verify his death; EU-football.info stated that he played two games each for Meteor Prague and now-defunct Bohemia national football team. Unlike the shooter, footballer has corresponding article on Czech Wikipedia but it's an unsourced stub.

Josef Kopecký (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Delete both - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer). Couldn't find sufficient sources for either to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer) per User:Suonii180. FromCzech (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poitín (band)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The founder and main contributor of the site is apparently someone from the band and the page is more a self-presentation. FromCzech (talk) 04:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your thoughts. Do you have any suggestions to avoid it being deleted? Poitin31 (talk) 17:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as well how to avoid deletion (I'm not a member of this band in case of any accusation of self-presentation). Kmarty (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Denmark[edit]

Others[edit]

Proposed deletions[edit]

LGBT rights in Zealand → LGBT rights in Denmark (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Zealand not mentioned in article. Rusalkii (talk) 03:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the sort of redirect where one would assume there's some grand complex history that explains how the redirect for "LGBT Rights in Zealand" got redirected to a page about a different nation on the other side of the planet. Nnnnnope. It was just... created that way, and the target page at the time had zero mention of--

wait

this isn't New Zealand

Keep Oh OH OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE NOW. Zealand is the name of the large island that makes up about half of the country of Denmark. While it's not directly mentioned in the article itself, it does repeatedly reference Copenhagen, which... is on the island of Zealand.

While it does possibly generate WP:SURPRISE for anyone who decides to abbreviate New Zealand to simply Zealand (which is wrong but hey, until a few minutes ago I didn't know where 'old' Zealand was), a hatnote at the beginning of the current target article would suffice, such as:

This is about LGBT rights in Denmark, the country that incorporates the island of Zealand. For LGBT rights in New Zealand, see LGBT rights in New Zealand.

~~...which... huh. That's a red link. ...Could drive someone to make the article in question I suppose?~~ Fixed link at 04:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Redirects are cheap. Denmark is not a federal country, so there's no reason to assume that LGBT rights in Zealand differ from the rest of Denmark. I like Lunamann's suggestion for a hatnote. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, and if we go for a hatnote, should we also consider Zeeland in the Netherlands (historically also spelled Zealand, and the namesake of New Zealand) as a possibility? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given it's only one letter off from "Zealand", and we're already adding a hatnote mention for something that's an entire word off ("New Zealand"), I would say that adding a For LGBT rights in Zeeland, see LGBT rights in the Netherlands. to the end of the hatnote, after "For {blank} see {blank}" for New Zealand, would be warranted. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Estonia[edit]

Perajärve[edit]

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no such village exists in Estonia. No working references given. See KNAB results for Perajärve: [16] Estopedist1 (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - While I don't speak Estonian, it seems like this is some sort of forest retreat, not a settlement ([17]). KNAB results are convincing, and I don't see any sources indicating current or past status as a settlement. AviationFreak💬 13:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It isn't in the results list linked above, but it is when the search is changed from "Perajärve" to "Peräjärve". Peter James (talk) 16:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There was a Peräjärve village (also spelled Perajärve), near Simula, now in Rõuge vald. Also a small lake there with that name (Vällämäe Peräjärv). Also, a nature trail (Peräjärve metsarada) in neighboring Antlsa vald. Think the original creator of the article has this confused. Either way, the village of Peräjärve no longer exists. So, delete. ExRat (talk) 03:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Finland[edit]

Op:l Bastards[edit]

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No significant coverage. Non-notable band. SL93 (talk) 21:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep due to Bio in Allmusic. Album review in NME, review in Allmusic, review in Sonic Seducer, review in Visions (which has a printed magazine). Small news piece in Billboard magazine. Single review in NME, another in Music & Media, another in Sonic Seducer. Review in an outlet I'm not familiar with. That's a start without even looking into Finnish media Geschichte (talk) 08:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

World Trade Center (Helsinki) (via WP:PROD on 24 August 2023)

France[edit]

Lindelwe Lesley Ndlovu[edit]

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Another in a questionable series of articles created by this user on African businessmen and companies. Sources in this one are all WP:TRADES, WP:INTERVIEWS, WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS,WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, or links to data aggregators and mass awards that don't confer notability in and of themselves. No WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources. Nice resume (and the article reads like one), but not notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non-notable business person, most coverage is what seem like non-RS, but I can't confirm which are or aren't. Happy to revisit if others can confirm the quality of the sources. Oaktree b (talk) 23:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Georges Klenkle[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG, biographical coverage in independent sources is absent. Cited sources largely just describe FreemiumPlay, a business the subject founded, which might be notable; if an article can be created for that subject, it would make sense to redirect there, but until then I don't see a basis for a page at this title. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Homa (company)[edit]

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Routine announcements only, not meeting NCORP. BoraVoro (talk) 13:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This topic has been deleted previously. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homa Games. Hitro talk 15:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Télé Lyon Métropole[edit]

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insufficient notability or coverage in reliable sources. Additionally, it may lack independent, third-party references to establish its significance in the context of television broadcasting. Welcome to Pandora (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep One would expect a TV station reaching 1.3 million inhabitants fulfills WP:GNG and it does. The French Wikipedia article shows an abundance of WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. I agree the article needs to be updated and better sourced (the TV station seemingly does not exist anymore), but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Broc (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Loïc Jean-Albert[edit]

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Declined prod. With only 2 google news hits, the first one not being in-depth, not enough coverage to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 16:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BoOzy' OS and the Cristal Gem[edit]

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This appears to fail WP:NFILM. This was a short film which was submitted to a 2013 Dailymotion contest connected with Annecy ("+ de courts"), but which did not win the judging ([18]). I can't find any mention of it in the archived Annecy web site, nor can I find any substantial coverage online, just a lot of entries in film databases and an unusual amount of media on Commons (for now, at least: c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by REDƎYE). Omphalographer (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find any substantial coverage in secondary sources outside of a blog or two. Nowhere good to redirect to, it isn't mentioned in Annecy International Animation Film Festival and there's no article for the director. Odd that a French film has articles in 30 languages but not French. hinnk (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it was in French Wikipedia but they deleted it years ago as non-notable. hinnk (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I find many secondary sources on Google : a critic review in Romania, another in London (2023), an interview in Paris (2014), another in India (2023), etc. IMDB shows 1700 votes, 8 awards and 1 nomination. This seems to me to be very ample in terms of notoriety for a short film ^^ (note : I remember the AFD in FR in 2014 : at that time, there was not enough sources (only 1 interview I think) but with today awards and coverage, I think the article should be recreated in FR) --Supersonic888 (talk) 13:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not 8 but 10 wins, and not 1 but 4 nominations ^^ I just added "Critical response" and "accolades" sections with sources on the article. --Supersonic888 (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are primary sources that don't help meet the general notability guideline, those two reviews are both from sites that accept payment for reviews ([19]~~[20]~~[21]), and the World Film Carnival Singapore site you added to the article was running malware that immediately redirected me without even showing a review. Do you understand my concern when someone says a subject is very ample in terms of notoriety, with this as the evidence? hinnk (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm admittedly not an expert on the film industry, but most of those awards appear to be from monthly online competitions, not notable film festivals. For example, the "Rome International Movie Awards" is a blog which issues dozens of awards to amateur films every month. Omphalographer (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert on the film industry either but it seems they paid for participating in festivals, not for reviews or awards. I didn't have any problem for visiting the World Film Carnival site (no malware for me) ^^

The fact that it is an amateur film (if it is one? I don't know) does not seem to me to be a criterion for deletion: we are talking about notoriety and I believe that this point is respected, internationally (I add that on Commons there are photos showing the director with trophies at these festivals in Asia, which also shows international distribution).

If we look at Category:2013 animated short films and IMDB (when available):
Aruvu Rezuru: Kikaijikake no Yōseitachi = 23 votes

Backward Run = 77 votes, 1 win & 3 nominations

The Blue Umbrella (2013 film) = 11000 votes, 1 nomination, 17 critics (Pixar)

A Boy and His Atom = 454 votes, 1 critic

The Chaperone 3D = 90 votes, 7 wins & 4 nominations, 1 critic

Death Billiards = 2100 votes, 2 critics

The End of Pinky = 51 votes, 2 nominations, 3 critics

Game Over (2013 film) = 0 vote

Get a Horse! = 5600 votes, 2 wins & 2 nominations, 20 critics (Mickey)

Gloria Victoria = 137 votes, 1 win & 7 nominations, 5 critics

Hollow Land = 58 votes, 8 wins & 3 nominations, 1 critic

Impromptu (2013 film) = 28 votes, 1 nomination, 1 critic

Kick-Heart = 1000 votes, 1 wins & 3 nominations, 9 critics

Mary & Myself = 16 votes, 1 nomination

The Missing Scarf = 468 votes, 15 wins & 5 nominations, 4 critics

Missing U (film) = 26 votes

Mr Hublot = 5200 votes, 6 wins & 2 nominations, 14 critics

Party Central = 3700 votes (Disney Pixar)

The River's Lazy Flow = 11 votes, 1 win & 1 nomination

The Scarecrow (2013 film) = 248 votes, 5 wins

The Smurfs: The Legend of Smurfy Hollow = 986 votes, 1 nomination, 13 critics (The Smurfs)

Subconscious Password = 198 votes, 3 wins & 5 nominations, 4 critics

Toy Story of Terror! = 18000 votes, 6 wins & 10 nominations, 31 critics (Disney Pixar)

This is to show that with 1700 votes it has more votes than most other films, even more than The Smurfs. Only 6 blockbuster films have more votes (Disney Pixar, Mickey, etc).

To me, all this is significant in terms of notoriety even though one could still argue that some votes could be rigged. Supersonic888 (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User votes on IMDb are not in any way, shape, or form a measure of notability (nor "notoriety"). Omphalographer (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and that's not what I'm basing it on here (I just point this out, in addition to my remarks), but it's an interesting indicator ^^ Supersonic888 (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Castaing[edit]

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Several searches in both English and French came up with nothing but match reports, databases, and bit references with no substance. This player certainly exists, but he lacks WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am having a hard time finding enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michel Pontremoli[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:BASIC C F A 💬 02:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment could you elaborate on why none of the sources meet BASIC in your opinion? FortunateSons (talk) 09:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Communion of Western Orthodox Churches[edit]

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The only independent source given, Thöle, only mentions the CWOC in passing. I can't find any source that actually covers their activities. There's no evidence that this communion is more than a loose agreement of three small like-minded denominations. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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French Orthodox Church[edit]

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Fails GNG. Claims 10 communities in their own official website. The French version was deleted by consensus. Leefeni^{aures audiendi audiat} 22:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margot Davy[edit]

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Subject doesn’t seem to pass WP:GNG. Does appearing on notable fashion platform calls for a Wikipedia page? Because we have so many people appearing on notable fashion platform but no independent reliable sources. Most of the source on the page just only talked about her appearing and nothing more. Meligirl5 (talk) 11:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Also this seems to be like a promotional work, paid work or a conflict of interest.--Meligirl5 (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I tried a search in .fr sites, and even then, we have only a few photo shoots that come up. "Muse of the Month" [22] is about the extent of coverage I could find, it's simply a photospread and some small text. Delete for not meeting notability requirements and a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 13:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Georges Charmoille[edit]

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I have been draftifying some articles about 120 years old gymnasts with very insufficient sourcing. This one I'm sending straight to AFD. The log indicates that a WP:LUGSTUB used to occupy the article title Georges Charmoille, before being moved to Gustave. In other words, there seems to have been unreliable sources somewhere along the way regarding his first name. There could be a situation where two brothers were gymnasts, but since this new article doesn't address that discrepancy at all, I consider it completely worthless. The Gustave article currently sits at Draft:Gustave Charmoille, but Georges can't be redirected there since redirects from mainspace to draftspace aren't allowed. Therefore: just nuke this one for emphatically failing WP:SPORTCRIT and problems with WP:V. Geschichte (talk) 10:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Does Wikipedia:NOLYMPICS apply here? There are a lot of Olympics books that name him as a bronze medalist in 1906. For example[23][24][25]
This should be transcluded to the Olympics deletion sorting list. If I knew how, I'd do it myself. Oblivy (talk) 11:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oblivy As I mentioned above, there are serious uncertainties about who "Georges" Charmoille really is. We already have a draft for Gustave, who is recognized as the correct name for the Olympian by Olympedia, at least. Geschichte (talk) 13:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The two sources at Gustave are websites that lack citations for their assertions. archive.org has one hit for Gustave, seemingly about a dance performance. It has 38 hits about Georges, admittedly all post-1980. The official site lists Georges as competing but not medalling in 1908. Oblivy (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Olympedia seems to say he's known by both names? Seems very likely notable if he's the WORLD champion gymnast - deletion would seem to leave him as the only champion without an article per Template:NavigationWorldChampionsArtisticGymnasticsMenHorizontalBar? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note that the draft at "Gustave" was also previously "Georges". I am sure we could ask the Olympedia team for their research on the matter to better know which name should be the article title - and for sources to use in it. I don't have significant time to do it, so I am neutral on whether the content of this article should be moved to the current draft article likely about the same person or not, but if it's going to take some time for clarity, it probably should. Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on its face, he meets the WP:NSPORTS requirement for medalling at an Olympic games. I recognize the possible argument that the 1906 games weren't really the Olympics (note old discussion here that did not reach a consensus) but they were considered the Olympics at the time and so the same spirit of best-in-the-world seems to apply.
Gustave vs. Georges seems irrelevant to this discussion. I don't think one uncited claim on a website is enough to discard the many books listing him under Georges. If necessary, create a redirect from Gustave and mention the controversy (if it can be supported by RS) on this page. Oblivy (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep although there doesn't seem much to say. That the first name is uncertain seems to me to be irrelevant, it is entirely possible he used both names or one was his common name and the other his official name. JMWt (talk) 10:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary: the uncertainty about the first name pertains to the very root of the WP:V issue: who was this person? It's not up to us to speculate on which name was what, we need reliable sources. Geschichte (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm having trouble understanding the verifiability issue. We have a number of record books with the Georges name in them. And the official Olympic website says Georges as the principal name.
On the other hand, we have the secondary name on the Olympics site and a website associating that name with him. Anything else? Is there a reliable source that is clearly him and gives Gustave as the principal name? If someone added a sentence or two discussing name controversy, wouldn't the full picture be disclosed? Oblivy (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lack of sourcng... I tried a search in the BNF newspaper archives, this was all that came up [26] second to last paragraph in the last column on the right. A person with the same name died in a torpedo attack. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Leyla Abdullayeva[edit]

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NO GNG. Created for advertising and PR purposes. --Correspondentman (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: The other language Wikipedias seem to have a better sourced version of this, with around ten separate sources, however I'm not sure about their quality.

=== Russian language ===

[27] [28] [29] [30] [31]

=== Azerbaijani Wikipedia ===

[32]

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Delete: Doesn't meet the minimal inclusion for a journalist. Sources are PR as well as doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Forshee[edit]

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Bio of a composer/academic fails GNG, NBIO, NACADEMIC, NMUSIC. The independent sources do not show WP:SIGCOV; WP:BEFORE search turns up no other reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage or evidence of notability under any of the other SNG guidelines that might apply. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- composer/researcher doing good things to advance his career that are pretty typical for composers at this stage. Significantly TOOSOON at this point. On the non-academic side, lacking the awards or major ensembles (those not dedicated to producing student work) to pass notability; on the WP:PROF side, does not have academic appointments or the sort of extensive influence to pass there. (Some of the journals are important in the field, but book/CD reviews are not articles.) -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are mostly fair points. Not sure what the "TOOSOON" means--too soon to have a wiki article? Regarding academic appointment, a Google search shows that Forshee was a visiting professor and now instructor. As to the ensembles performing Forshee's compositions, the Callithumpian Consort and Trio Kobayashi are, according to their own websites, not dedicated to performing student works (they list Elliott Carter, Schuittke, Huber, Scelsi, Cage, Lachenmann, Richard Barrett, Jürg Frey, Larry Polansky, James Tenney, basically all widely known composers on the international scene). The articles by Forshee don't appear to be book reviews or CD reviews, but neither do they appear to be rigorous scholarly research articles; they seem to be somewhere in between: interpretive analytical essays? The one in Computer Music Journal is an early review of software by the pioneering computer music composer Trevor Wishart. Part of the motivation for this article is that Forshee is one of the few notable (or borderline notable) students of composer Anthony Davis, who just had his Met Opera premiere of his Malcolm X this season. Dolemites (talk) 18:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability cannot WP:INHERITED from Anthony Davis or anyone else; for each subject it must be established independently according to the criteria. No articles by Forshee can be used establish his notability, only what independent and reliable sources have to say about him with "significant coverage." Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't meet WP:BASIC. It is important we know when one is a notable polymath or not. No credible WP:NMUSICIAN, WP:NAUTHOR, and WP:NACADEMIC. Let me keep the simple diminished WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Peters (media executive)[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:JOURNALIST. Run of the mill coverage of this executive who used to run Euronews, but not much in terms of in-depth of independent from the subject (interviews, press releases) which would indicate this is a notable individual under our guidelines. Pilaz (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:GNG. There is plenty of coverage in independent secondary sources – recent analysis of his leadership, including examination of recent controversies involving Euronews in this 2020 article in Arabian Business, for example. @Pilaz: Did you do a thorough search for coverage per WP:BEFORE before nominating? Worth checking Wikipedia Library and French and German sources as well. Even when you discount primary sources (originating from Africanews and Euronews) and Q&A interviews, there is easily enough to satisfy WP:BASIC. Also, I'm not sure WP:JOURNALIST even applies in the first place since he's a media exec, not a writer. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Q&A interiews are usually not considered independent at AfD and are usually primary sources. See WP:INTERVIEW for a full explanation. I'd like to see WP:THREE, because the sum of everything I've come across does not seem to satisfy the GNG. Pilaz (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Arabian Business piece is also predominantly an interview, although I agree it does ask more critical questions that suggest fact-checking and analysis. Pilaz (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Most of what I see are PR-type business articles, which aren't good for notability because they are promotional and usually not independent. The one article that seems to be about him is the Arabian Business one, but it will take more, IMO, to show that there is more than promotion going on. Lamona (talk) 05:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is literally so much coverage about him in multiple languages, that it will take a very long time to sort through. Just added a New York Times article that would at least help pass WP:BASIC. Will try to remember to come back to this later, but the point is, time and resources should be spent on searching for references and improving the article rather than just nominating for deletion without any WP:BEFORE. Conversely, it would be difficult for someone to aggregate every single piece of coverage about Michael Peters that exists and prove that it doesn't add up to at least WP:BASIC. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Included another article in which his career is being described. It was published by French newspaper Libération in 2012: https://www.liberation.fr/medias/2012/02/09/eurostar_794664/ Zamekrizeni (talk) 09:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That NYT article has a one sentence quote from him; it is not about him at all and what he says in that article is not what is in the sentence (fails validation). The Liberation one is about him. I see that as possibly meeting GNG as there are two articles about him. As a BIO, though, we must be careful that all stated facts are from reliable sources. He was not mentioned on the about page for Africa news, and the remainder of that section is from a press release. I removed the about page and the facebook citation (not a reliable source). If those facts cannot be sourced the data should be removed from the article. If, as you say, there is "literally so much coverage" it should be possible to source those facts from a reliable source. (Yes, I know that AFD is not cleanup, but sometimes cleanup is needed to assess the article. Also, I can't help myself.)Lamona (talk) 15:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The NYT piece only offers a brief quote, which is a passing mention and not independent, and the Libération article is an interview, so primary and not WP:INDEPENDENT. The suggestion that no BEFORE has been done is questionable (as a side note, this nomination was made as part of the NPP process), unless one significantly lowers the BIO bar to include material that is not in-depth, not independent, or not secondary. Pilaz (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. We can keep going and evaluate one article at a time, sure. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have read all the comments more carefully now and think it's really great that everyone is engaged. Let's all get editing! Cielquiparle (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that the Libération article is an interview. It contains some quotes of him, but I wouldn't consider it an interview. It is more of a profile or portrait, in my opinion Zamekrizeni (talk) 06:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that the Liberation article counts towards notability per WP:GNG as it includes independent observations on the part of the journalist which put the quotes from Michael Peters himself into context. @Zamekrizeni If you are !voting to keep the article, start a new line and add "*Keep" (as I did above) and briefly explain which two or more articles you think count towards notability. The main notability guideline to reference is here WP:GNG (general notability guideline) and then the lower standard is WP:BASIC. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cielquiparle The "Women in Tech" cite is not independent (such bios are usually supplied by the biographee). There may be a better source, else that sentence could be removed. Note that I removed some unnecessary sources (one good one per fact is enough), and I removed the NYT source and that sentence because that information could not be verified in that source. Should an actual source be found for that information it could be added back in. Lamona (talk) 04:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lamona Could you please move this discussion to the Talk page? I didn't even make that edit so not sure why I am being pinged in an AfD discussion. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lamona: To clarify: I did not add Women in Tech but I did actually carefully reword the sentence citing The New York Times per your concern, so as not to overstate. But whatever, this discussion belongs on the article Talk page, not here. The very fact that this AfD discussion has turned into article workshopping, plus the nominator's NPP comment suggest to me that this was more of an article cleanup session rather than a genuine AfD discussion. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPP recommends nominating articles at AfD which fall below the threshold for notability after a BEFORE. It's not uncommon for the articles to be improved in the process as more scrutiny is given to the sources in the article. Pilaz (talk) 12:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pierre-Loup Bouquet[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarah-Marine Rouffanche[edit]

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Delete. Subject fails WP:GNG and is not saved by WP:NCREATIVE. An ice dancer who qualified for the World Junior Championship's free dance competition and finished 15th: an achievement truly admirable by this humble servant, but insufficient for a Wikipedia article. Whence the required numerous, independent sources? -The Gnome (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uzma Beg[edit]

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So at first glance, this BLP looks legit but upon but digging deeper, I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows or movies as required per WP:ACTOR. Also, when I tried to find more about the subject per WP:BEFORE, I didn't come across enough coverage to meet WP:GNG either. Plus, it's worth noting that this BLP was created back in 2021 by a SPA Sahgalji (talk · contribs) and has been mostly edited by UPEs so there's COI issues as well. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: some of her roles in notable productions seem significant enough, so that she meets WP:NACTOR imv and deletion is not necessary. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mushy Yank, In which shows, if I may ask? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, Chupke Chupke, Pyari Mona, Hum Tum.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) (Again, sorry but so many Afds related to Pakistan/TV series, I might not reply here any further, should you, as I expect, not find the sources to your liking for one reason or another or if clarifications are needed; it was already challenging for me to find time to check some of them and !vote).[reply]

It's not a matter of whether I like a source or not. It's obvious that the sources are clearly not reliable, no even for WP:V purpose. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. In looking at the original article and the SPA creation & editing of this article, as well as other articles that mention the subject, it is likely this is an autobiography. 128.252.210.1 (talk) 16:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

Roger Adam (via WP:PROD on 14 September 2023)

Georgia[edit]

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Patrick Schulz[edit]

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Non-notable wrestler with no sources in the article Niafied (talk) 07:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nina Menegatto[edit]

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This page is really bad, it's presented as an actual biography of a politician/monarch when the country in question doesn't actually exist. It presents the subject as holding actual positions and titles, which do not exist. Not to mention that the page uses a few primary sources from the micronation itself. Presenting a micronation roleplayer as a real head of state is misinformation at best. Di (they-them) (talk) 06:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep - there are a few fairly long media reports in addition to those on the page. There may also be more in non-English publications. On that basis, in my opinion the GNG is met. JMWt (talk) 06:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the content from reliable secondary sources to Principality of Seborga. Insufficient independent coverage for a stand-alone article per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as subject meets GNG (mostly established in non-English sources: [33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42], although English sources also exist: [43][44][45]). Notability is not determined by the validity of her claims/titles/positions/offices. Many articles exist on pretenders and claimants to defunct and non-existant monarchies. The question is if Menegatto is has received significant media coverage, and the answer to that is yes. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Principality of Seborga. She is no more notable than her so-called predecessors, Giorgio and Marcello. Keivan.f^Talk 19:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makersite[edit]

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Hits the WP:SERIESA formula pretty exactly - of the 12 citations on this article, 6 are funding announcements, 1 is a short uncritical profile of the CEO, 1 is a venturebeat article with a comment from the CEO on something unrelated to the company, 1 is a marketing release for a company, and the other 3 just acknowledge that the company launched an Autodesk CAD plugin while talking about something else.

No coverage which goes deeper than stating that a particular business deal took place. BrigadierG (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Surprise! (film)[edit]

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Unsourced article about a short film. The notability claim here, that it won an award at a regional film festival, would be fine if the article were properly sourced -- but the "awards" criterion in NFILM is looking for top internationally-prominent film festivals on the order of Cannes, Berlin, Venice, Toronto or Sundance, not just any film festival that exists, so winning an award at the Seattle film festival isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt the film from actually having to have any sources. Bearcat (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll try to find a source for that; SIFF is about one level down from the aforementioned. It is certainly not a "regional film festival". - Jmabel | Talk 14:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source for a film festival award cannot be said film festival's own self-published website about itself, as that isn't independent of the statement — the source has to be a journalist-written newspaper or magazine article, or a book, that shows that the film festival's award announcements are considered newsworthy and/or historically significant by people other than the film festival's own staff. (The awards at the top-level likes of Cannes or TIFF make films notable because those are awards that get reported by media as news — they're special because media tell us they're special by treating them as newsworthy, not just because we like them more than we like smaller film festivals.) But so far the source you've added is SIFF's own website, not a piece of GNG-building third-party coverage — and even if you can find a more GNG-worthy source for that, we would still need to see other GNG-worthy sourcing about the film alongside that anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are not citing for the importance of SIFF. We are citing for whether they gave the award. An instutition's own site is the preferred source for an an official action by that institution. - Jmabel | Talk 16:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. A lot of the material here is in German, and a lot of it appears to have come narrowly too early for widespread digitization. Here is unquestionably relevant coverage in a German film studies book. I believe this Google Books snippet view is actually of a magazine article reviewing its release as part of a DVD. Finally, I only have a citation so I can't evaluate the source, but there appears to be a Spanish-language scholarly article about this short film: Meier, A. "Sorpresas educativas en Surprise de Veit Helmer." Posibilidades del análisis cinematográfico (1era ed., Vol. 1, pp. 365-373). Secretaría de Educación del gobierno del Estado de México (2015). Lubal (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added another citation (from shortfilm.de) for the film having had 48 festival invitations and 26 awards. Surely that is enough. And, no, I'm not working on this further. - Jmabel | Talk 16:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: new sources added and mentioned; awards. A redirect to the director should be considered anyway, so, opposed to deletion. ~~(Will try to add things)~~ (added coverage in various languages including English, more exists)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adjustierung[edit]

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It seems like this article should be merged into articles about the German and Austrian militaries of various eras, which generally include discussion of uniforms. Just because there is a German word for "military uniform" doesn't mean that word is a distinct topic. We already have military uniform; the military uniforms of German-speaking countries (as opposed to Germany and Austria and Switerland, separately) don't make a natural subtopic of that. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, the words listed could just be added to Glossary of German military terms. -- Beland (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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One Night in Yoshiwara[edit]

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There is one source given, but amount of detail given could define the term "passing mention". I searched for some more sources and found several more passing mentions (e.g. "Barbara Dju is possibly best known for her role in Eine Nacht in Yoshiwara"). XabqEfdg (talk) 04:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Emmerich Hanus: Not opposed to Keep (for example this brief notula ; Abel in the cast; a 2-paragraph review by ...Billy Wilder (In the Italian translation of the collection of his early work)) ; opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable director and actors. Likely to have been more significant coverage in RS at the time. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and the Billy Wilder review is an indication of that. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Axel Downard-Wilke[edit]

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Downard-Wilke does not meet our notability guidelines for people, with very little (if any) independent sourcing. See the first nomination which was speedy kept as it was linked from the main page's DYK section. It was promptly removed after the COIN case was brought up. To me this page seems to be relatively unambiguous self-promotion. wound theology ◈ 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, based on encountering what I consider significant coverage in two profiles [46] (in this one he is rendered as "Wilke" rather than "Downard-Wilke") and [47]. This combined with the less significant but also more than trivial coverage across sources cited in the article leads me to consider the topic notable. I'm also perplexed by the OP's comment that this page seems to be relatively unambiguous self-promotion. This article wasn't created or edited by its subject (who would be the "self" in self-promotion); the COIN case is about someone who knows Downard-Wilke interpersonally having contributed to the article. Downard-Wilke, who is disclosed to be Schwede66 on Wikipedia, has never edited this article. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 12:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really want to go too deep into source debates for reasons stated in my comments below, but you might want to read my original nomination statement from the first AfD – certainly that first Stuff article you linked is not an independent source. It was written to promote this edit-a-thon to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Stuff itself, which Downard-Wilke appears to have played some role in organising. This does call into question more broadly whether Stuff articles can be considered independent of Downard-Wilke.

The apparent less significant but also more than trivial coverage you refer to I believe amounts to a notability bomb when carefully investigated – although there are many sources, none turn out to contribute to notability. – Teratix ₵ 16:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not self-promotion but it is a prolific DYK contributor being asked to make an article about a prominent Wikipedian and get it on the front page. Obviously we don't know who did the asking. It all stinks, anyway. Secretlondon (talk) 15:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Original AfD nominator here. I think this follow-up AfD is slightly premature. There is an evolving discussion underway at COIN, where Schwede66 has mentioned a cache of 50-odd potential sources for review. It would be better to take some time to properly go over these sources before going straight back to AfD. Plus, this way interested participants would not have to split their energy between content and conduct discussions, and so we can get all the facts right about the circumstances behind the article's creation (for example, I agree with Hydrangeans that calling it "self-promotion", given what we know right now, is tenuous because Schwede66 hasn't touched the article).

As it stands I would prefer this be suspended or closed procedural keep with no prejudice against renomination once other discussions have taken their course and Schwede66's sources been thoroughly reviewed. – Teratix ₵ 15:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Echoing the two previous comments. I feel this AFD is a bit rushed, and I don't see reasons why it may be labelled as self-promotion yet. X (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, notability is clearly determined by multiple reliable news articles on the subject from The Star and Stuff. Both outlets are reliable independent sources in New Zealand. Before anyone questions whether I have a CoI, I have met Axel once in an online Wikipedia meetup call, and all of my interactions with him have been on and about Wikipedia. However, outside of Wikipedia I have heard his name mentioned in several places related to urban planning in Christchurch. He is certainly a notable figure in this city, and I also consider him notable enough for a wikipedia article.

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As Teratix pointed out, the Stuff article is not an independent source. Not sure about The Star. wound theology ◈ 06:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are other Stuff articles that establish notability, particularly on the macron debate. Believe it or not that was newsworthy in NZ. When I tell people I edit Wikipedia, people ask me about that specific topic. Wilke was a fairly central figure in the coverage of that debate., as established by the sources. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- a prolific contributor surely has achieved enough notoriety to deserve an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.176.212 (talk • contribs)
Keep at this time - on the surface appears to just meet WP:GNG. This does seem like it is better to be reviewed at COIN in the first instance and improve things from there, and a renomination can be done after that process is complete. Mdann52 (talk) 12:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:BASIC Lightburst (talk) 15:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have now had a chance to properly review Schwede66's sources and they have changed my opinion on the matter – I believe there is enough independent coverage from reliable sources to keep the article. (Critically, at the time of my original AfD nomination I had not seen either of the sources I view as demonstrating notability). That is not to say it will not need significant attention (about 40% of its citations are to non-independent sources, suggesting in its current state undue weight may be placed on certain aspects), but it passes our basic notability test. As for the particular sources demonstrating notability:

Although I do not believe the 2020 Stuff article is independent because it appears to have been written to promote an edit-a-thon on the company, on reflection I do not think this judgement of non-independence should necessarily extend to an article on a different issue written by different authors two years later, even if it is the same outlet. Although the article is chiefly about the macrons debate itself, there is some decent coverage of Downard-Wilke and his actions, enough to contribute to passing GNG/NBIO.
I mentioned source 6, a piece from The Star about his regional council campaign, in my original AfD nomination as difficult to verify (unavailable online) but unlikely to contribute to notability given various reasonable inferences from its context of production. However, Schwede66 had a copy of the article and it turned out to be a bit more substantial than I expected, providing just enough depth and context I believe it contributes to notability. – Teratix ₵ 14:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Paasch[edit]

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WP:PROMO article creator wordlessly moved back from draftspace with no substantial coverage BrigadierG (talk) 00:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anja Hirschel[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Subject currently doesn’t pass NPOL as city councilor, and is only contesting for a seat in the EU Parliament. Sources were insufficient to pass GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could potentially redirect to Pirate Party Germany and add a mention there, but I can't see any coverage meeting BASIC. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Tagesspiegel and SWP sources are sufficient for general notability. Cortador (talk) 16:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eissporthalle Iserlohn[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing to add from the article on de.wiki. not seeing much else which could be considered against the inclusion criteria JMWt (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Iserlohn Roosters, whose home stadium this is - WP:ATD. Ingratis (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eastmain. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stephan Welk[edit]

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Non-notable person. While the sources provided all seem to be on the up-and-up, the overwhelming majority of them either are to websites that are now up for sale, return 404 errors, or flat-out can't be connected to. The sources that do properly function are all useless for notability - two are hits in catalogues for a book he wrote and the third is a non-sequitur. A search for sources brings up two Der Spiegel pieces about diplomatic document fraud and nothing else accessible or reliable. I will note that there is a BLP/N thread about this article (which is how I found it) but my putting it up for AfD is due to the sourcing woes and not because of the thread. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Was any effort made to recover the dead links from the Internet Archive or other archival services? The two cited sources for this individual's influence on the global cocoa market, for example, are recoverable: [48][49], although I can't vouch for the reliability of the media outlet. That is a singular outlet, however; Bayern-Depesche's masthead notes that it is owned by "POPULAREN Network GmbH", so while these sources are independent of the article subject, they're likely not distinct sources for counting such things. Meanwhile, there's definitely Der Spiegel coverage, but some of it has involves a then-ongoing trial. I couldn't quickly determine if there was a conviction, or even if it had concluded. Lubal (talk) 23:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just put the Bayern-Depesche archived link into Google Translate and got borderline-word-salad off of it, but it's comprehensible enough for me to grok it. And it's useless for notability (too sparse). The article itself seems a confused mess, hardly touching on Welk and his actions in favour of descriptions of Sao Tome and Principe and a chocolatier associated with him. Google Translate ignores the Popularen source entirely, so I can't assess that (language barrier). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 08:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Greece[edit]

Apoapsis Records[edit]

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article reads like an advertisement (fails WP:NOTADVERT), with an overreliance on primary sources, for a record label with only two artists signed (fails WP:INHERITORG). if any part of this article can be salvaged at all, it would work better as a part of either Vasileios Angelis or Apostolos Angelis (composer), or simply redirected to either of these two pages. Free Realist 9 (talk) 02:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prince Constantine Zaccaria-Damalà[edit]

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No assertion of WP:NBIO for a living person. The article is largely a very dubious exercise in claiming titles defunct since the Middle Ages. Main 'scholarly' source is an article at the Social Science Research Network that does not appear to have been published in academic journals and thus not subject to peer review. Constantine ✍ 13:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As noted, the only substantive source here is effectively self-published. Nor does there appear to have been any interest in reliable sources of the holders in pretense to a title that has been irrelevant since the mid-15th century. Lubal (talk) 14:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Respectfully, why do you view this as dubious? There are many articles, of various descendants, of various Houses on WP. This is no different, and as a researcher of this particular area of history, Frankokratia and the Principality of Achaea, it absolutely seemed appropriate for there to be an article created, especially after seeing that a recent case study was written about the topic. As to your other points, a good portion of the paper discusses the claims of the extinct Italian Tocco family until 1933, with the death of its last claimant, less than one hundred years ago, so this is not something that hasn't been thought about since the middle ages as you said but it has been present almost until WWII. The case study that you mentioned was in fact picked up by the "Legal History eJournal," curated by a known professor at Yale University, Reva Siegel of the Law School. I would not have used this source if it appeared that a trusted expert had not laid eyes on it as I fully know and understand the rules of WP.

Thanks. Eugene de Moree (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC) — Eugene de Moree (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The article itself is about a non-notable person, whose biographical details occupy a handful of lines and are nothing extraordinary. Most of the content is about the titles, rather than their current presumed holder. This might be OK for a blog article, not an encyclopedia. On the various articles about various descendants of nobility, yes, they exist, but then the descendants are notable, or at least the titles are notable; the pretender to the throne of France is of a different order of notability than the Damalades. Wikipedia also has deleted articles for nobles who did not satisfy criteria for notability, even from royal houses, cf. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Odysseas-Kimon of Greece and Denmark. The most important problem with the rest of the article is that it makes unsupported claims. Assuming the lineage is correct (which is always a big if with genealogy, especially the Zaccaria-Damalas connection, I have had quite a few battles over this over at the Damalas talk page), at one point one of his ancestors had the title 'King and Despot of Asia Minor', which was a one-off symbolic award without any real substance, as Asia Minor was lost to the Turks at the time. The article makes the casual reader think that this title had substance, through the entirely erroneous and unsupported assertion that Martino did control a sizable portion of the defined boundaries of this Kingdom, he did not control it in its entirety...reclaim the said territories, which is patently false as soon as you look upon a map and compare Chios, Phocaea, and Smyrna to the rest of Asia Minor. Furthermore, I am not aware of any Damalas-Zaccaria claim to the title of Prince of Achaea, in contrast to the well attested Tocco claim. Whether the Tocco had the right or not, they laid claim; the Damalades, who for most of the period were an obscure Chiot family, did not. The article suggests that these titles are claimed by 'Prince Constantine' by virtue of descent, but whether he knows or is interested in such a claim is uncertain; the phrasing of the article is almost teleological, but thin on evidence on that matter. It is not for Wikipedia's users to award him these titles because of Salic (or any other) law, or making judgments based on the observed dynastic succession. This is the essence of WP:NOR. If this person makes these claims and if these are recognized by independent authorities (i.e., not someone who was paid for the job), and if this claim, or any other of his actions, attract notability sufficient to satisfy our criteria, then he is to be included here. Constantine ✍ 15:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how being heir to the patrimony of this historic family is not noteworthy in its own right. Not to mention the close relations to the last members of the Byzantine imperial family through blood and marriage. As a historian, I would absolutely say that this is worth people being able to read about. Perhaps make some corrections, sure, but this should be out there, and this is why I created the page after finding the very valuable case study. I do think that you may have some misunderstanding on what I wrote about Martino though, because the Lordship of Chios (which I linked in the text) was more than Chios and Phocaea. So I am not sure how one could think that I was being misleading. Martino's kingly title was titular in nature, yes, but a high hereditary honour nonetheless. Actually, the fact that it was not attached to an actual fief means that it's transmission to descendants is cleaner than that of other royal titles that were attached to territories that are now lost. It is one of the very few instances in history where the title of king has been given as a titular honour, and therefore would legally remain fully intact today. Just these few things are notable. Lastly, the case study plainly states that Constantine knows about his patrimonial inheritance. It also says the strict method of ascertaining the proven genealogical connection. The fact that you thought otherwise leads me to believe that you did not fully read the study. Eugene de Moree (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, all the information about Constantine Zaccaria Damala is taken from "Achaean Disputes: Eight Centuries of Succession Conflicts for the Title of Prince of Achaea". “The handful of lines” is because I am not in a position to know further insights about this person apart from what is already written in this particular article. Also, personal information can be found in the new publication of the Annuario, on the page discussing the history of house Zaccaria-Damalas, and was sent to me through mail. The Annuario does not approve nobility status without a rigid reflection first. Obviously, the British Royal family members have a greater degree of notability than each member of the house Zaccaria-Damala. Still, this article is about the Head of the House, not a brother, sister, cousin, or a distant relative and certainly, this is NOT the first case of a noble in WP with only a handful of information to adorn his/her page. The few insights provided (parents, wife, place, date of birth) do not mean this person doesn’t exist.

Martino indeed controlled Chios, Phocaea, and half of the city of Smyrna for some time, the titular imperial couple of the Latin Empire recognized this sovereignty. The diploma was granted in 1324 and Martino lost Chios in 1329, certainly, the Kingdom that Emperor Philip and Empress Catherine envisioned and for which they even crafted a crown and appropriate regalia was one where Chios, etc were included. This is why I linked the page Lordship of Chios to the chapter of the article. If you read the diploma -I linked it to the page references- you shall see that the imperial Latin couple of Naples are especially specific on what they offer to Martino and that this is very true and not a vague idea.

The article makes it clear that after the mid-15th century, the Zaccaria-Damalas family did not openly claim the title of the Prince of Achaea, and the title was monopolized by house Tocco (where in the article I mention that the post-1469 Zaccarias held the title?), though it concludes that with the extinction of the Tocco line in 1933, the senior descendant of house Damalas (for reasons analyzed in detail by the author) can rightfully claim the title now that is vacant for decades.

“not someone who was paid for the job”

These accusations are concerning and it is more useful to be avoided as they are potentially directed against an academic of Yale University and a researcher for whom we know nothing in order to insult them this way and are not present in the undergoing discussions to support their thesis. Eugene de Moree (talk) 17:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The study is interesting, but it is not WP:RS as it has not undergone peer review. I have perused it, and though it states that Constantine Paul Damalas is interested and took steps to verify his descent and lineage, that's about it. The very abstract of the study is clear IMO: "This study delves into the intricate succession landscape surrounding the medieval title of Prince of Achaea...its theoretical rehabilitation in favor of the Damalas descendants of the Zaccaria Princes of Achaea", and this is reinforced later on "since the current claim that is available to Constantine Paul Damalas" (p. 98). I.e., this study is an examination of descent and possible claims under a legal perspective, and nothing more. The assignation of these titles as is done in the article is yet to be established.

Plus, as I have stated in a different discussion we had, this cannot be seriously considered a WP:RS without the actual study to examine and verify. My reference to being paid for something is exactly on this, as the study was clearly commissioned by someone, and not undertaken in the interests of scholarly research (MyHeritage is not an academic institution, but a fee-based service). Taking an uncharitable view, this is no different than all the medieval upstart monarchs who paid some scholar to 'discover' links to the ancient Greeks, Romans, or Jews. As a lot of the argument hinges on this study, color me unconvinced. But the veracity or not of the claim is indeed somewhat beside the point: the article simply does not establish notability of the subject per WP:NBASIC. Constantine ✍ 18:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree on upstart monarchs conducting fraudulent discoveries, still Annuario della Nobiltà holds some very strict requirements on accepting new houses to be included on its pages and there's no way to grant nobility status without extensive research. As there is a scientific committee conducting independent research. The paper of Stornaiolo Silva cites Annuario and makes it clear that the aristocratic status of Constantine Zaccaria-Damalà has been approved. The Annuario would thoroughly examine her work and would not publish it if she could not provide the extensive proof that they require. The MyHeritage chart seems like a simplification of her research to help the reader have all the genealogical information in one file.

I think there is even a small degree of notability through Annuario and "Achaean Disputes: Eight Centuries of Succession Conflicts for the Title of Prince of Achaea" and the little information available is not against the encyclopedic character of Wikipedia. Especially when we are dealing with members of old dynasties lost in history, usually, we have scarce information known, but that doesn't stop many editors from actually establishing a small article about them with four or five lines.

The paper states clearly that Constantine Zaccaria-Damalà is actively pursuing the princely title since 2023. Eugene de Moree (talk) 19:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Annuario della Nobiltà still hasn't published the newest version that is referenced in the article though, so verification remains an issue... And again, the veracity of descent is one thing, the active pursuit of the nobiliary claim another, and notability a third. The deletion request is based on notability, not of the family or the title, but of the holder. Even complete frauds like Peter Mills or Eugenio Lascorz have some wider presence in scholarly literature, which attests to their notability. Here we have no information other than this person exists, and that from a non-RS. Constantine ✍ 20:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern regarding proof of inclusion in the Annuario. For the same reason, I reached out to the author of the case study to see proof of this when writing this article. He produced this proof in the form of a PDF, which is an extract from the Annuario's database and is exactly how the pages will appear in the next edition. I received this as well as an email where the editor confirmed the successful review of all documentation and approval for publication. I can readily provide the same proof that was provided to me.

As I mentioned in several other comments, being the head/senior heir of this lineage is historically notable in itself. There are many examples on WP where this is sufficient to demonstrate notability, but a few examples would be: "Princess Vittoria of Savoy", "Prince Jaime, Duke of Noto", and "Joachim, Prince of Pontecorvo." All of these either have little biographical information, nothing truly noteworthy besides the noble lineage that they come from, or both. Furthermore, none are heads of their respective Houses either, unlike Constantine.There are many, many more on WP, and if really necessary, I will share more. I should hope that this is strong enough reasoning to conclude that notability shouldn't be an issue here, and the only way that it could be would be to pick favorites. We should be encouraging the coverage of all history, not only the mainstream and I know that you agree with that.

It would be one thing if this person had some ridiculous imaginary Order of Knighthood or was granting bogus titles, but as explicitly mentioned in the case study, he nor his family have ever done anything of the sort nor they claim to be "the last Palaiologoi alive" and I found that refreshing and worthy of recording/highlighting their respectable patrimony for others to read.

One thing that I will agree with you on, is that there needs to be an explicit mention that Constantine claims his hereditary inheritance. It is clear from the study that he is interested, but it doesn't explicitly state that he is claiming it. I don't think this is a reason to delete the article, but it is reason enough to reword it to reflect this current understanding.

Actually in the article one can find much more information about this case, that I did not added at the current WP article, but now that I rethink of it, I should have. These will boost the notability of this person as they include information that prove that this "Achaean case" is too singular to be ignored. Eugene de Moree (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No evidence of any kind of notability.TheLongTone (talk) 15:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As someone interested in late Frankokratia, I welcomed the addition of previously unknown information on the topic. Just as with other defunct countries, if there are heirs living to this day, then it is definitely notable and this page should ex as the articles of other heirs doist. Also, I would like to add that perhaps editors responding here should take the time to read the entire case study as I have done, since all the points against this article are not accurate or true. This reis is longer than the time it took some to reply here. Alfor tome to so say that there is no notability of any kind is absurd, and likely anti-monarchist biaOtherwise, one would have to delete all pages on the topic of heirs. s. Laurelius (talk) 15:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC) — Laurelius (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- I can assure you I have no "anti-monarchist bias" as I have created hundreds of articles on royal and noble persons. But I see no notability established within this article. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I was not referring to you, but the user that only wrote that it was not notable. Thank you for pointing that out to me. Laurelius (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet WP:GNG. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Self-published sources. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been included in the Yale ejournal and has been curated by an academic of the university. I contacted the author of the article before establishing the page and he mailed me that this article is going to be published as a book in the near future with a greater decree of information available about the topic. He mentioned that the publisher is an active one in the academic field. By what I understood, the book will be concluded in the next months. Eugene de Moree (talk) 11:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michalis Koumbios[edit]

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The subject is not notable. There are few (if any) reliable secondary sources; the single source used is apparently from 2006 and only available through archive.is. LoganP25 (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hellenized Middle East[edit]

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"Hellenized Middle East" is a made-up term which is not used in scholarship on the Hellenistic Period (a search of google books shows a few uses referring to Greek presence in the Near East, but without any consistency [50]: one book on Gandharan Buddhism, a couple on the Middle Ages, one on Cavafy in the 19th century. This is not a term used with any consistency in scholarship). The article consists of a WP:OR map, which collapses Ashokan India into the Hellenistic world and a bunch of material largely mirrored from Hellenistic Period. Furius (talk) 00:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment a lot of these delete comments come from people during a time when this page didn't have so much content; Furius original claim says that Hellenized Middle East isn't a common descriptor of the area, although his search showed more than 15 different citations of the term; nevertheless I changed the title to the more common "Hellenistic Middle East", which a plethora of citations. Furius also claims a lot of the material comes from Hellenist period, which is false. The majority of the content now is from books; the section with information from another article is the region list from the Partition of Babylon page and includes its citations. The map doesn't collapse the Hellenistic world into Ashoka's India, rather it illustrates the region of allied cultural syncretism that helped generate the Hellenistic Middle East. Aearthrise (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:SYNTH. Mccapra (talk) 04:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You made this comment when the only section was the list of Hellenistic regions. Your claim that the Hellenistic Middle East as a concept is false, and not classified under WP:SYNTH. Aearthrise (talk) 12:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the main issue here is not the title, but the duplication of material that is already covered elsewhere. The topic itself appears to be legitimate, whatever title it's given, and unless there's a specific title that is generally applied to the topic, any reasonably descriptive title would do. There may well be better titles, but that would not be a justification for deletion: it would justify moving the article to another title. Replacing a map with a more accurate one would not be an argument for deletion. So the only remaining issue seems to be duplication of existing material in other articles.

It sounds as though most of this is covered under "Hellenistic Period", in which case a "technical merge" might be in order. By that I mean a basic review to make sure that any useful and verifiable material from here is included there or at other appropriate articles. If so, then simply indicate that the article was merged there, and then change this title into a redirect, as a plausible search formulation. There may also be some details here that ought to be mentioned in other articles, and aren't yet, in which case a full merge may be done. But even if everything is already fully covered, it would technically be a merge as long as one makes sure of that before changing this into a redirect. P Aculeius (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:CFORK. Poor page with poor and unverifiable sources that do not help identify implications that is explicitly stated by the source. The creator of the page inserted opinion by using content from other pages and used it in a circular bit of logic. Page is WP:SYNTH. RangersRus (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You made this comment when the only section was the list of Hellenistic regions. Your claim that the Hellenistic Middle East as a concept is false, and not classified under WP:SYNTH.

As for the fork, I am working add more content into the Hellenistic regions section; the list came from Partition of Babylon, because it gave all of the regions that persisted throughout the cultural area's lifetime. Aearthrise (talk) 12:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Strange title, bizarre geographic scope, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH content, WP:CFORK.
- Scholarship on ancient history uses "Near East" rather than "Middle East"; both terms are of course eurocentric, with "Middle East" reflecting Western European strategic concerns during the last years of the Ottoman Empire. Describing much of the area under Seleucid control in the hellenistic period as "hellenised" begs the question of whether that impact was more than superficial and brief.
- The inclusion of all South Asia is bizarre; the Maurya empire is not usually described as hellenised (and the map shows it extending strangely east and south). Mapping Greece as hellenised is silly.
- The text largely consists of an editor opining, without benefit of sources, on who became the ruler of which area after the death of Alexander, largely with no more substance than that. Any reader wanting to know about the area during the hellenistic period will be disappointed and frustrated; they will already be better served by Diadochi for successors and by Hellenistic period, including Hellenistic period#Hellenistic Near East, for the regions. NebY (talk) 14:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You made this comment when the only section was the list of Hellenistic regions. Your claim that the Hellenistic Middle East as a concept is false, and not classified under WP:OR or WP:SYNTH.
  
  Further, you make an argument about "eurocentricity", but you forget that this is English wikipedia and Middle East is the English term for these areas. Aversion to the word "Middle East" is simply your opinion, and not a serious point.
  
  You also say that the map is bizarre because it includes South Asia; I argue the map is a good illustration of the area that generated cultural syncretism, especially for the allied and interinfluential nature of the region.
  
  For the last point, I circle you back to the first sentence of this response. Aearthrise (talk) 12:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: someone seems to be working hard to improve the article currently, and the title has been changed, perhaps in response to what has been said so far here. Perhaps these edits will make a difference to whether this article should be kept or merged (I still don't think deletion is the correct means of dealing with a content fork, if it still is one after the current revision process is done). It may be a good idea to get Aearthrise's take on the content fork issue, and whether he or she has a plan to resolve that, or any of the other remaining issues mentioned in this discussion. P Aculeius (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Said editor has been adding material about citizenship in the Roman Empire and the Umayyad Caliphate. It's bizarre synth. Furius (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aearthrise was notified about this discussion; I'm not sure why they've not engaged directly... Furius (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You only notified me 7 days after you created this thread. Aearthrise (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The topic is not entirely off (the argument that the Hellenistic period extends to the Arab conquests for the Roman East is certainly not new), but currently it reads like a hodgepodge of factoids without a clear plan in evidence, and there are a lot of red flags of bizarre factual inaccuracies (the map, Alexander's conquests 'in the 2nd century BC', the 'state of Judaea', to name a few glaring ones) that lead me to question whether the authors have the expertise required to do this correctly. I am thus also for delete; this should first be properly developed in someone's sandbox, beginning with gathering the relevant literature, before a move to mainspace. Constantine ✍ 12:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Your gripe here is that you believe that this article doesn't have a plan, and claim three "red flags" one being the map showing the region of cultural syncretism. Why is the map a red flag? It easily shows the area of the original regions in the Hellenistic Middle East, and the two cultural influences that made the most impact in the early days of the area, this is the area described by Ashoka of culturally allied lands.
- For your other two "flags", it's a simple typo of 2nd century with "3rd" century BC, and writing the word "state of Judea" instead of "province of Judea". I implore you to give a real example of "factual inaccuracies" instead of claiming them from superficial semantics.
- You also say that this article is a hodgepodge of factoids, but the evidence follows the theme of the Hellenistic cultural area and its unique cultural aspects; the section with the partition of Partition of Babylon region list can be refined, as right now it deals with the people who began ruling these regions and has some added information on the kingdoms, and Greco Buddhism. Aearthrise (talk) 13:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The problem with the map is that it comes from a source for territories mentioned by Asoka as having been conquered by the dharma, but is being used to illustrate "the Hellenistic Middle East, Greece, and Ashoka's Empire in cultural syncretism, 260 BC". These are two very different things and there are no sources to support using the image for the latter. The idea that Ashokan India was part of the Hellenistic world (or the Middle East for that matter) is not mainstream. Furius (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You're making two different points in this paragraph about the map:
  One that Ashoka's declaration of whom he considers allies and peers in dharma, naming rulers of the Hellenistic Kingdoms, is not the same as a declaration of "cultural syncretism". I argue Ashoka's declaration is exactly evidence of the intercultural relation of Greeks and Indians of the time:
  
  Indian Cultural Heritage Perspective For Tourism (2008), L. K. Singh, page 34:
  
  The Edicts of Ashoka, which talk of friendly relations, give names of both Antiochus of the Seleucid Empire and Ptolemy III of Egypt. But the fame of the Mauryan Empire was widespread from the time that Ashoka's grandfather Chandragupta Maurya met Seleucus Nicator, the founder of the Seleucid Dynasty, and engineered their celebrated peace.
  
  Hinduism: Challenges | Interaction with Buddhism, Jainism and The Greeks (2024), Ashok Mishra, page 221:
  
  A mission was sent to the Hellenistic Kingdoms in the West, including Syria, Egypt, Greece. According to ancient sources, Ashoka sent a delegation of Buddhist monks to these regions, where they engaged in dialogues with the local people and established Buddhist communities.
  
  And Man Created God: A History of the World at the Time of Jesus (2013), Selina O'Grady, page 416:
  
  According to many scholars, it was the coming together of Indian and Greek culture that created the very conditions that would give birth to Mahayana Buddhism. It was here that Indian abstraction met Greek individualism to create a more personal, emotional religion that in its turn would profoundly influence the mergence of Christianity. This Indo-Greek syncretism was reflected in the great statues of Guatama Buddha that the Kushan rulers erected throughout their growing Empire.
  
  Chandragupta Maurya with his bride, Seleucid Princess Helena
  
  Your second point, "The idea that Ashokan India was part of the Hellenistic world (or the Middle East for that matter) is not mainstream", is not claimed by the map at all; the map simply describes the area of cultural syncretism. There clearly had been a long intercultural influence of the Mauryans with Hellenistic States since Chandragupta married Princess Helena of the Seleucid dynasty.
  
  Indian History NCERT Notes Class 6-12 (Old+New) For Civil Services Examination (2023), Rajendra Prasad, page 46:
  
  Seleucus married his daughter Helena to Chandragupta Maurya. After Chandragupta, his son Bindusura became the ruler of the Mauryan Empire. During the reign of Bindusura, Antiochus, the ruler of Syria, sent dry figs, wine to Bindusura. Deimachus, an ambassador of Antiochus I was at the court of Bindusara. Ptolemy II Philadelphus sent an ambassador named Dynosis to he court of Bindusara.
  
  Indian Cultural Heritage Perspective For Tourism (2008), L. K. Singh, page 36:
  
  A "marital alliance" had been concluded between Seleucus Nicator and Ashoka's grandfather Chandragupta Maurya in 303 BC... This was a common practice for formalizing alliances in the Hellenistic world. There is thus a possibility that Ashoka was partly of Hellenic descent, if Chandragupta's son, Bindusura, was the object of the marriage. This remains a hypothesis as there are no known more detailed descriptions of the exact nature of the marital alliance, although this is quite symptomatic of the generally good relationship between the Hellenistic world and Ashoka.
Aearthrise (talk) 10:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and copy to a sandbox, per Constantine. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Give a reason why instead of just saying "per Constantine", as his argument hinges on three "red flags": the map, and then two gripes about a typo and a word choice. Aearthrise (talk) 12:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about you read WP:BLUDGEON. --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Hungary[edit]

Adam Solya[edit]

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I am unable to find any independent, secondary coverage of the subject, does not meet WP:GNG. Coverage appears limited to attribution for choreography credits in ISU competition reports (e.g. [51]), which are not secondary prose coverage or significant, and interviews ([52], [53]) lacking independent coverage of Solya. I tried searching for both the Western-style and Hungarian-style (Solya Adam) renditions of Solya's name online and found nothing relevant beyond the second interview example cited here. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

Iceland[edit]

Others[edit]

Ireland[edit]

Church of Ireland Historical Society[edit]

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Does not meet WP:ORGCRITE. Sources cited in the article are all primary. Searching on Google Scholar and Google Books, I was able to find mentions of the COIHS in citations and acknowledgements, but no significant independent coverage. Searching online, I was able to find some concerning, scandalous, coverage that still appears to fall short of the ORGCRITE line: two letters to the editor in The Independent ([54], [55]) alleging that the COIHS played a key role in covering up a child sex abuse scandal in the Irish church, and two articles in The Phoenix making the same assertion in passing ([56], [57]). I was able to find exactly one likely (but paywalled) example of significant coverage in an independent RS ([58]) reporting on the same allegations, although even if we assume the absolute best of this source, we fall short of ORGCRITE's requirement of multiple such sources. I tried to look for potential merge targets on Wikipedia but didn't find anything promising. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nominator source analysis. I also tried to identify a redirect, but the organization appears independent from the Church of Ireland and I couldn't identify another option superior to deletion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My own WP:BEFORE returns the same coverage/mentions that the nominator identified in their own. Namely things like ROTM announcements in the Irish Times and mentions in letters to the editor in the Irish Independent. Or this in The Phoenix. A search in RTÉ returns only a single similar/fleeting passing mention. The only substantial coverage I can find is the same article (titled "Historical society accused of 'rewriting' its own past" and subtitled "Church of Ireland Historical Society removes references to founder following accusations of child sexual abuse") noted by the nom. Which, on its own, doesn't establish independent notability of the org. I also can't conceive of target for a redirect. Or other WP:ATD. Guliolopez (talk) 21:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig_Considine_(academic)[edit]

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Articles for deletion/Craig Considine (academic)

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I am unconvinced that the subject of this article meets the notability guidelines for academics. The article subject is a teaching professor with limited research output. Their research has not made a significant impact in their scholarly field (they seem to publish introductions for popular presses, published reviews of their other work is critical). They have not recieved a highly prestigious academic award or honor at national/internationl level. They are not an elected member of a highly selective/prestigious society. The subject does not hold a distinguished professor position or appointment at a major institution, nor have they been named chair or equivalent. The subject has not held a highest-level administrative appointment. The person appears not to have made a signifcant impact outside of academia in their academic capacity, where they are quoted in publications it is usually promotional material for one of their porjects. The subject has not been editor/EiC of a major/well-established academic journal. Other contextual clues indicate that this page exists purely as a promotional platform for the subject. There is very little activity on this page other than IP editors vandalizing the page to introduce promotional content, and then other editors removing or clarifying these edits. The creator of this page has since been banned for their promotional activities. I mean to disrespect to the subject of this article, but I struggle to see how they meet the criteria or need for inclusion on Wikipedia. There is nothing wrong with trying to boost your platform and visibility as a junior academic, but I would suggest that this is much better accomplished through a personal website and social media channels. Having a cursory glance at the department the article subject belongs to, there are many far more senior scholars among his colleagues who are not similarly represented on this site. After spending significant time trying to improve this page, I doubt that with the available material it will rise to the level of inclusion. I welcome other editors' feedback and perspectives if I have been too harsh in my judgement. Boredintheevening (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(correcting typo: line read "I mean no disrespect", not "I mean to disrespect") Boredintheevening (talk) 15:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Conor O'Callaghan (businessman)[edit]

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Non-notable congressional candidate. He received some attention from national outlets right when he announced his campaign in August of last year, but that's to be expected of any candidate in a competitive House race. From what I can see, he's received zero national news coverage since September 2023. All of the articles cited on the page are campaign-related, and I can't find any non-campaign-related coverage of him on Google from any time, so I don't think he meets GNG. Very much reminiscent of Kellen Curry, another 2024 congressional candidate who got national news attention right when he launched and promptly faded from view. I'd support a redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Arizona#District 1. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support either redirect or outright deleteing, as even with the bit of coverage he has received more recently (he appears to be running a generally more negative campaign rel. to the other 5 in the race) I don't believe he meets notability standards. Buggie111 (talk) 14:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: not meeting criminal notability; simply being a political candidate isn't notable. Can be re-created if he wins the political seat, otherwise, not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/Weak keep: I support a redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Arizona. That being said, while he doesn't meet WP:NPOL for being a candidate, it's possible he meets WP:BASIC. What makes this different from other cases, in my opinion, is that the candidature coverage is not WP:MILL. He's received a significant amount of coverage that specifically goes into detail about his career before running for office. For example, this Bloomberg article and this MSNBC article. C F A 💬 01:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that the national coverage of him isn't run of the mill, but the problem is that the only non-ROTM coverage he ever received came right when he announced his campaign. As I said in the nomination, he's received no national attention since September 2023. It seems like he made a splash right when he announced because he's running in a competitive congressional race, but I don't think that translates to lasting notability. If he loses this race, will anyone be searching his name in 5-10 years? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 04:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I made this article...I lost my login for AZVoter so I'll go in my thought process here. Conor has the most cash on hand out of any candidate other than the incumbent in this race. He is polling alright and has four endorsements from people in the US house of reps. So he definitely is getting national recognition. But you are correct, if he loses he will probably be irrelevant. The negative campaigning is something I wanted to add but this was my first article so I did not really know what to write about. JustMadeThis4Discussion (talk) 02:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Raising money and getting a couple endorsements from members of Congress is not what I meant by "national attention" (we're talking about news coverage here) and does not establish notability. See WP:NPOL. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Billie Sparks[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NPOL and I don't see how it meets WP:GNG. I can't find any in-depth, indepdenent sources aside from this image.ie article. Clear friend a ^💬 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non notable person, fails WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 06:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NPOL doesn't apply (and, even if it did, wouldn't be met). WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV are also not met (apart from the single image.ie article, the only sources - which deal with the subject as a primary topic - are the same less-than-independent "job announcement / press release" materials we see in the article). I might be wrong, but it seems to me that WP:G5 could also potentially apply here. Guliolopez (talk) 10:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sligo Wild Geese[edit]

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The only source since 2014 is a brief mention and I can find nothing to indicate any notability. A google search (excluding Wikipedia) find only a few hits with just a couple of brief mentions. A newspaper.com search also returns nothing. KylieTastic (talk) 11:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. A relatively short-lived (local/non-profit/community) organisation that fails WP:CLUB and WP:SIGCOV. (We don't even have sources to establish the basic facts - like when the org were established/established - not to mind anything that establishes notability.) In my own WP:BEFORE, the only news sources I can find include this and this and represent represent the scarcist of trivial passing mentions in (hyper) local news sources (indicating that subject org was not even covered in any great depth in very local news coverage; Not to mind the type of [at least national] coverage that would confirm that the club's activities were "national or international in scale". As would be expected by WP:CLUB.) The only "claim to fame/notability" given in the article, about the org being "notable for many firsts, including their involvement in pioneering north–south co-operation during the beginning of the then fragile Irish peace process" represents flowery editorial and puffery that isn't supported by anything at all...) Guliolopez (talk) 11:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I was trying to de-orphan and clean this up but the sourcing doesn't seem to be there. --Here2rewrite (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This isn't the least sourced or most puffed stub I've seen today, or even the second, but it's close enough in spirit (per above) and the first I saw already nominated. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Not a notable group. Spleodrach (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think with some research, the article could serve an interesting historical tidbit. --evrik ^(talk) 20:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fáilte[edit]

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Not sure if this violates WP:DICT (wikipedia is not a dictionary). While I see why we have Alba and éire, (Scottish Gaelic and Irish for Scotland and Ireland respectively) because it refers to a country, do we really need a dictionary for a specific world in another language? For anyone wondering, fáilte is the Irish word for welcome. JuniperChill (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep; make it more explicitly a disambig page. —Tamfang (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would turn it into a DAB, as Tamfang suggests. I concur with JuniperChill that it is not appropriate to keep as a dictionary-like entry, but since there are three Wikipedia pages containing the word, a DAB may be appropriate. Cnilep (talk) 00:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure how turning it into a disambig would work since the only other pages containing the word are Fáilte Ireland and Fáilte Towers. This may be an example of partial title match, but I am not sure if people simply refer it to 'Fáilte'. JuniperChill (talk) 10:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair cop. I won't be too sad if the page is deleted. Cnilep (talk) 04:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - On balance, I think it is difficult to justify this as an article as Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Dunarc (talk) 22:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Fáilte Ireland: that article gets more page views than Fáilte Towers. After redirecting, add a {{redirect}} hatnote targeting the TV series. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and do not redirect. The existence of a redirect would inhibit searching, and a DAB is no good since there's nothing but PTMs here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not a dictionary (WP:NOTDICT), and this is English Wikipedia, not Irish – this is especially not a translating dictionary, nor a dictionary of all the world's languages. The greeting makes no sense as a redirect, either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ireland/Article_alerts#RfD

Italy[edit]

Michael D. Aeschliman[edit]

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This is another sockpuppet production from the same drawer that brought us Conrad Hughes. After socks were blocked, I removed all primary sources before nominating. This subject fails WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC and WP:NAUTHOR. There's no sustained reliable coverage significantly about this subject indicating his encyclopedic notability. There was lots of primary stuff, by related parties. Now it's two books. If one is notable, it might need an article instead of a socky BLP. JFHJr (㊟) 03:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete, with redirection also being an option if anyone other than a blocked sock is interested in making a stub on the notable book. I see a notable book with reviews (and also respectable citations in a low citation field), but little other evidence of notability. WP:BLP1E at best. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Despite the problems of puffery and COI authoring etc before the gutting of the entry ... he seems to me to pass WP:Author as his book has been primary subject of multiple independent reviews and an article on him might therefor be useful. An article on the book would seem to me odd, but a brief article on the author mentioning the books would seems OK. (Msrasnw (talk) 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Carl Schleicher[edit]

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There is already a draft for this that has been rejected a few times. Pretty sure the author of the draft got tired and moved it to mainspace with no concensus. 48JCL ^(talk) 22:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Was wrong. Turns out that the author of the draft is different than the user that created the page. The person who created the page has been not warned however has created NUMEROUS speedily deleted articles through copyright. Assuming that the user that created the page just wanted to seem like the one who created it, even though they very obviously copied from the draft- which still exists, by the way. 48JCL ^(talk) 22:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I copied from the draft. This guy already has articles in Russian, Hebrew, Spanish, and Galician (?!), so I don't understand why there are issues with the English version. This is an obviously notable Jewish painter; Wikipedia has used many of his paintings across a few articles, such as on the Talmud. Ethanbas ^(talk) 23:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethanbas Then just resubmit it, if you think it is "obviously notable" 48JCL^TALK 11:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ethanbas Your argument is a different version of WP:WAX. Look at Draft:Nahal Rafiah. Just because it has a Hebrew version does not immediately make it notable. 48JCL^TALK 11:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@48JCL, why do you think he is non-notable? FortunateSons (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I am putting this for AfD is because it is completely stolen from a draft. Also, wouldn’t it still be in draftspace, as that draft was rejected twice and never touched again? 48JCL^TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FortunateSons 48JCL^TALK 11:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL, I'm not sure on the specific policy implications. However, I don't think we should delete an article about a notable person if it is avoidable. Do you happen to know what the policy on this sort of thing is? FortunateSons (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the comments left by the reviewer:

Comment: This draft, as written, does not appear to indicate that one of the biographical notability criteria is satisfied. If one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page or in AFC comments which criterion is met, and resubmit. It is the responsibility of the submitter to show that a subject satisfies a notability criterion. You may ask for advice about the biographical notability criteria at the Teahouse. In particular, see and refer to WP:NARTIST for notability, which is the guideline that the subject should be evaluated against. Where are his works on display? What has been written about him by art critics? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Where are his works on display? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This page has been moved back from article space to draft space. Please read the comments by the draftifying reviewer and address them. Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, please ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting. You may ask for advice on how to improve this draft at the Teahouse or on the talk pages of any of the reviewers. (The declining reviewers may advise you to ask for advice at the Teahouse.) If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement, it will probably be rejected. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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That provides context, but unfortunately does not answer any of my questions? FortunateSons (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nina Menegatto[edit]

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This page is really bad, it's presented as an actual biography of a politician/monarch when the country in question doesn't actually exist. It presents the subject as holding actual positions and titles, which do not exist. Not to mention that the page uses a few primary sources from the micronation itself. Presenting a micronation roleplayer as a real head of state is misinformation at best. Di (they-them) (talk) 06:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep - there are a few fairly long media reports in addition to those on the page. There may also be more in non-English publications. On that basis, in my opinion the GNG is met. JMWt (talk) 06:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the content from reliable secondary sources to Principality of Seborga. Insufficient independent coverage for a stand-alone article per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as subject meets GNG (mostly established in non-English sources: [59][60][61][62][63][64][65][66][67][68], although English sources also exist: [69][70][71]). Notability is not determined by the validity of her claims/titles/positions/offices. Many articles exist on pretenders and claimants to defunct and non-existant monarchies. The question is if Menegatto is has received significant media coverage, and the answer to that is yes. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Principality of Seborga. She is no more notable than her so-called predecessors, Giorgio and Marcello. Keivan.f^Talk 19:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La guerra civile[edit]

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This article is very odd. It started life as what appears to be a personal essay/content fork about Italian politics (entirely sourced to La guerra civile) under the title Terrorism in Italy since 1945, then at some point someone misinterpreted the content as about the book itself and content about that book introduced and the essay stuff removed, so for the past 13 years it's been about the book, but under the original title. I tried to find sources under that title, failed for 20 minutes, realized what happened, and moved the page.

Anyway, still can't find any reviews/analysis/sources. It's probable they may exist given the language barrier and very generic title, but I couldn't find any. If sufficient sources are presented I can withdraw. As an ATD if there are no sources redirect to the author Giovanni Pellegrino. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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William D. Clay Jr.[edit]

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Subject does not appear to be notable. Avishai11 (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sourcing of any kind found for this "special advisor", even the term is vague. The article provides barely information about what the individual does/did for the UN... Oaktree b (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Italian Syrians[edit]

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This isn’t really a topic here. Specifically there is nothing here to suggest that there is a current or recent community of Syrians of Italian heritage. The article discusses Romans of Syrian origins (off topic), then the arrival of Livorno Jews (should be merged into History of the Jews in Syria, and the rest is anecdote and a section copy-pasted from Italy–Syria relations to fill out the article and make it look like an actual topic. Mccapra (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have reviewed a similar page, which is Italians in Lebanon, the name is different yes, but the page literally doesn’t define anything. Most sources aren’t accessible anymore and the source I can access is the Vinivest 2011? I know this isn’t the time to compare. But, what should the page by about if not Romans of Syrian descent and the history of both countries and the arrivals of the Italian Jews to Syria? I see no reason for all this, and suggest removing it. 2001:8F8:1473:5EF2:848C:A013:291F:7463 (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gianni Mammolotti[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. No in-depth coverage. Can't find anything about him online except an IMDB page. Clear friend a ^💬 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Various awards and nominations for Best cinematographer. (https://www.inventaunfilm.it/sei-premi-in-cerca-d-autore-2021-autore-dell-anno-gianni-mammolotti/articoli16539 ; http://www.ilquotidiano.it/articoli/2005/09/25/44313/assegnati-i-4-esposimetri-doro-per-il-premio-gianni-di-venanzo ; https://www.daviddidonatello.it/motore-di-ricerca/cercavincitori2.php?idsoggetto=1679&vin= ; https://www.sherlockmagazine.it/index.php/2942/l-aquila-una-citta-in-nero) May meet WP:ANYBIO. ("The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times") -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC) (edited as there is only 1 Donatello nomination I can verify not more, although the Italian WP mentions 2 (which is not >2) but he has received other awards)[reply]
I won't say these sources you mention are reliable. I am particularly interested in the award citation. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: On the basics of WP:ANYBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Zanusso[edit]

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. The most I found was a few sentences here, which would not suffice. JTtheOG (talk) 17:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Think there's enough in Italian wikipedia and Italian sourcing for a weak keep, would have no issue with redirecting if deemed not. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Italy national rugby union players: perfect redirecting instead of deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Italy, Tirana[edit]

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Article is based on 1 primary source and merely confirms it exists. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 07:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Like many other embassies, this one occupies an architecturally significant building. The corresponding article in the Albanian Wikipedia at sq:Ambasada_Italiane_në_Tiranë, provides some information abut the building's status as a Cultural Monument of Albania that I have added to the English article. Several photos of the embassy are on Commons at commons:Category:Embassy_of_Italy,_Tirana. It is always a good idea to check an article's counterpart in the Wikipedias of other languages before nominating it for deletion. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I disagree with Eastmain, the fact that other languages have content on a subject does not mean that it is notable. I am not able to read AR and ARZ Wikipedia (I'm not even sure which languages they are without looking it up) but it looks like they may have more sources. I was not able to find any sources with a quick search but one may have to use other languages or look up a different phrase. ✶Qux yz ✶ 13:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Listed cultural monuments will have documentation on file with the corresponding authorities; I see no reason to believe this one wouldn't. I can't read Albanian but some Gsearch and Gtranslate brings up at least a few mentions of this building. Oaktree b (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's the listing: https://iktk.gov.al/site/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Vendim-nr.-32-date-07.02.2023-Ambasada-Italiane.pdf Oaktree b (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps redirect to the "Cultural Monument of Albania"? Oaktree b (talk) 20:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicola Belardo[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's this source on his post playing career, and a few bits on his playing career also, just worth a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Davide Fragnito[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV other than this, which seems like a press release ("The whole company expresses the utmost satisfaction"). JTtheOG (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There's a reasonable source here and a few bits here. Worth a weak keep in my opinion. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Riccardo Genovese[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Italian rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was routine transfer news (1, 2, 3, etc.). JTtheOG (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/weak keep Leaning towards keep here, heaps of coverage on the subject, although as nom says a lot of it is transactional, however this, and this (although transactional gives a profile) along with coverage here, and the fact that the players career is starting to kickoff now are worth a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Italy–Montenegro relations[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Nothing here that cannot be covered under Foreign relations of Italy or Foreign relations of Montenegro. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article contains 2 primary sources. Lacking third party sources to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there is no criteria that articles (apart from BLPs) have to have third party sources to meet GNG. The notability is not to be judged by the sources in the article at present, but the potential available scope of sources. It's pretty obvious that there is enough material out there to expand the article on the relations between these 2 neigbouring countries. --Soman (talk) 00:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not true, please read WP:GNG. "Independent of the subject". It is a basic requirement of GNG to provide third party sources. For an editor who has edited since 2004 you should know this. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and they're not really neighbouring, yes across the sea but no land border. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"it's pretty obvious that there is enough material out there to expand the article " Please list these or it's WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd counter-question is any WP:BEFORE was performed here? In this case it's pretty easy to assume that sources would be available. How about [72], [73], [74], "Italia e il Montenegro , firmato a Cettigne il 28 marzo 1883. È desso il primo accordo che l'Italia stipula con quel principato , ed è il secondo che il Montenegro conchiude con nazioni estere , il primo essendo stato concluso colla ." ([75]), "Nel novembre 1879 , Giuseppe Ottolenghi , delegato italiano nella commissione per la delimitazione nel Montenegro , nella sua relazione al capo dello Stato Maggiore riassume ." ([76]), "[Albania]... Italy, Montenegro and, traditionally, those of Austria, was not a minor problem. This issue, therefore, was destined to alter the relations between Montenegro and Italy, and between Italy and Serbia. Projects of Italian occupation..." ([77]), etc, etc. --Soman (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for finding third party sources which is a requirement of GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar @Soman With the exception of link 1 above (and link 2, which is a dead link), the sources provided refer to historical episodes already covered in detail in other articles. See Italian governorate of Montenegro, Italy–Yugoslavia relations. Again, with the exception of link 1, the sources are not about the relationship between Italy and the current post-Serbian state of Montenegro. My BEFORE search did not turn up enough significant coverage of post-2006 relations, which means that WP:NOPAGE should apply to avoid creating a content fork with Italian governorate of Montenegro or Italy–Yugoslavia relations. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dclemens, from your analysis of sources, I stand by my delete !vote. I agree that coverage should be about the current post-Serbian state of Montenegro. LibStar (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an approach consistent with how other bilateral relations articles are delimited. Look at Russia–United Kingdom relations, China–India relations, Germany–Italy relations, and so forth. At no point does this article have to relate to post 2006 material only. --Soman (talk) 11:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Germany/Italy article starts only with the establishment of modern unified Italy. It's not a history of how Prussia interacted with the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Likewise, the Italy/Montenegro article starts with the first establishment of a sovereign Montenegrin state that can engage in foreign relations... in 2006. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, let's not limit AfD discussions to the current contents of an article. The discussion should relate to the potential scope of how an article can evolve. There are difficult cases and grey areas, but taking the timeline back to 1800s (unification of Italy and Prinicipality/Kingdom of Montenegro) makes perfect sense to start in this case. It is in line with how articles on Russian bilateral relations link back to more or less same period. --Soman (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As there was a Montenegro before the current state became independent in 2006, we don't need to limit this article to post-2006 events. Note, for example, that Italy occupied Montenegro from 1941 to 1943; see Italian governorate of Montenegro. That said, I hope that additional content and sources are added to this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's not much to it now, but this is a stub that has a reasonable chance to grow. I tend to think that two countries this close to each other are going to have active relations which in turn will receive WP:SIGCOV. A cursory google search confirms this. Yilloslime (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - per Authorities in Exile Claiming to be ‘Governments’: Profiles', Recognition of Governments in International Law: With Particular Reference to Governments in Exile (2001; online edn, Oxford Academic), Italy continued diplomatic relations with the Montenegrin government-in-exile up to September 1921, seemingly the last country to withdraw diplomatic links with the Montenegro govt in exile. --Soman (talk) 23:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marta Paoletti[edit]

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Isabella Pajardi[edit]

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Others[edit]

Hexperos (via WP:PROD on 10 September 2023)
Benedicaria (via WP:PROD on 7 September 2023)

Latvia[edit]

Others[edit]

Lithuania[edit]

Others[edit]

Moldova[edit]

Executive Committee of Gagauzia[edit]

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Fails GNG, Single source is primary, nothing found in BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject 'directly and indepth. Nothing sourced in article for a merge, but no objection if there is a consensus for a redirect to Autonomous territorial unit of Gagauzia // Timothy :: talk 02:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: This appears to be an incomplete new creation and should have been draftified instead of AfD'd. Curbon7 (talk) 04:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A cursory search shows multiple independent RS covering the subject in English, Romanian and Russian.Anonimu (talk) 10:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - there appears to be coverage in English-language scholarly sources ([78] [79], both paywalled but which had substantial text matches in Google Scholar results snippets), and likely more in Romanian, Gagauz, Turkish or other languages. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

Montenegro[edit]

Italy–Montenegro relations[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Nothing here that cannot be covered under Foreign relations of Italy or Foreign relations of Montenegro. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete article contains 2 primary sources. Lacking third party sources to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there is no criteria that articles (apart from BLPs) have to have third party sources to meet GNG. The notability is not to be judged by the sources in the article at present, but the potential available scope of sources. It's pretty obvious that there is enough material out there to expand the article on the relations between these 2 neigbouring countries. --Soman (talk) 00:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not true, please read WP:GNG. "Independent of the subject". It is a basic requirement of GNG to provide third party sources. For an editor who has edited since 2004 you should know this. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and they're not really neighbouring, yes across the sea but no land border. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"it's pretty obvious that there is enough material out there to expand the article " Please list these or it's WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd counter-question is any WP:BEFORE was performed here? In this case it's pretty easy to assume that sources would be available. How about [80], [81], [82], "Italia e il Montenegro , firmato a Cettigne il 28 marzo 1883. È desso il primo accordo che l'Italia stipula con quel principato , ed è il secondo che il Montenegro conchiude con nazioni estere , il primo essendo stato concluso colla ." ([83]), "Nel novembre 1879 , Giuseppe Ottolenghi , delegato italiano nella commissione per la delimitazione nel Montenegro , nella sua relazione al capo dello Stato Maggiore riassume ." ([84]), "[Albania]... Italy, Montenegro and, traditionally, those of Austria, was not a minor problem. This issue, therefore, was destined to alter the relations between Montenegro and Italy, and between Italy and Serbia. Projects of Italian occupation..." ([85]), etc, etc. --Soman (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for finding third party sources which is a requirement of GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LibStar @Soman With the exception of link 1 above (and link 2, which is a dead link), the sources provided refer to historical episodes already covered in detail in other articles. See Italian governorate of Montenegro, Italy–Yugoslavia relations. Again, with the exception of link 1, the sources are not about the relationship between Italy and the current post-Serbian state of Montenegro. My BEFORE search did not turn up enough significant coverage of post-2006 relations, which means that WP:NOPAGE should apply to avoid creating a content fork with Italian governorate of Montenegro or Italy–Yugoslavia relations. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dclemens, from your analysis of sources, I stand by my delete !vote. I agree that coverage should be about the current post-Serbian state of Montenegro. LibStar (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an approach consistent with how other bilateral relations articles are delimited. Look at Russia–United Kingdom relations, China–India relations, Germany–Italy relations, and so forth. At no point does this article have to relate to post 2006 material only. --Soman (talk) 11:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Germany/Italy article starts only with the establishment of modern unified Italy. It's not a history of how Prussia interacted with the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Likewise, the Italy/Montenegro article starts with the first establishment of a sovereign Montenegrin state that can engage in foreign relations... in 2006. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, let's not limit AfD discussions to the current contents of an article. The discussion should relate to the potential scope of how an article can evolve. There are difficult cases and grey areas, but taking the timeline back to 1800s (unification of Italy and Prinicipality/Kingdom of Montenegro) makes perfect sense to start in this case. It is in line with how articles on Russian bilateral relations link back to more or less same period. --Soman (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As there was a Montenegro before the current state became independent in 2006, we don't need to limit this article to post-2006 events. Note, for example, that Italy occupied Montenegro from 1941 to 1943; see Italian governorate of Montenegro. That said, I hope that additional content and sources are added to this article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's not much to it now, but this is a stub that has a reasonable chance to grow. I tend to think that two countries this close to each other are going to have active relations which in turn will receive WP:SIGCOV. A cursory google search confirms this. Yilloslime (talk) 20:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - per Authorities in Exile Claiming to be ‘Governments’: Profiles', Recognition of Governments in International Law: With Particular Reference to Governments in Exile (2001; online edn, Oxford Academic), Italy continued diplomatic relations with the Montenegrin government-in-exile up to September 1921, seemingly the last country to withdraw diplomatic links with the Montenegro govt in exile. --Soman (talk) 23:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

Netherlands[edit]

Björn Ottenheim[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage establishing independent notability. It seems that most coverage of the subject is in the context of zZz, a redirect to which would make sense as an alternative to deletion. toweli (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to zZz per nominator, no context, unjustified SPINOFF, ATD, and CHEAP. It's really a no-brainer. gidonb (talk)
Redirect or Delete - not notable to me, just an article of three lines with little or no detailed information about the subject. Also, there are no references to establish notability. Mevoelo (talk)

Hi @toweli - this is lostscot - the creator of the original article. Sorry I am new to this. I think you are probably right that this page on Bjorn Ottenheim should be deleted and/or merged with the page on zZz. I believe the page on zZz is relevant and should not be deleted.

Zoraya ter Beek[edit]

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I really don't see the purpose of this article. This was a private individual who chose to die under Netherlands long ago passed euthanasia laws. Her death is unlikely to change anything regarding the Netherlands euthanasia policy, and thus does not pass WP:LASTING. All coverage is about her death and thus is a WP:BLP1E and fails WP:NOTNEWS. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's not her death, but her personal process of advocating euthanasia rights that matters. Victomrya (talk) 00:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (highly selective) into Euthanasia in the Netherlands. Worthy of one sentence there. gidonb (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands per nom. I agree with gidonb that the subject of this article might deserve maybe one sentence in the Euthanasia in the Netherlands article, but there's really nothing of substance to merge. In addition to the WP:NOTNEWS aspect, there are barely any reliable news sources about ter Beek as well. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:BLP1E. No article about her in Dutch Wikipedia, and nothing about her in the their article on Euthanasia in the Netherlands. This looks like "news" planted by the "slippery slope" campaigners against assisted dying: the Guardian says "An article about her case, published in April, was picked up by international media" (published where?) and she says herself that that coverage was "had many inaccuracies and misrepresentations ". She died, legally, end of story. PamD 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands, article and sources don't show sufficient notability for WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 22:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Euthanasia in the Netherlands where she merits a brief mention. Star Mississippi 01:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fontys Academy of Journalism[edit]

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There has not been a source added to this article since it was created in 2006. Ktkvtsh (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Fontys University of Applied Sciences#Tilburg as a premature SPINOFF without prejudice against a justified spinoff. No valid reason to delete was brought forward so tempting to just procedural keep. Merge, however, is a correcter resolution. gidonb (talk) 00:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect as above. Appears to fail GNG, and therefore WP:NORG. This, however, is based on an English language source, and better sources proving notability may exist in Dutch. Bgv. (talk) 08:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

North Macedonia[edit]

Valmir Nafiu[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:GNG or any of the WP:SPORTS criteria. None of the other language wikis have sources that are either a)independent or b) provide significant coverage of the subject. Doing WP:BEFORE reveals only a few pieces of routine coverage. Out of the sources here: [1] and [2] go in depth, and seem to be independent. No clue about reliability.

[5],[6],[7],[9] aren't independent, due to being published by his former club.

[8] does not mention him.

[3]&[4] are just routine coverage mentioning that he played in a certain match.

[10] is a data base entry, which isn't in-depth.

This leaves us with two sources, both of which were published the last time this article was deleted.

(Disclaimer: found this page through a CCI, and I've deleted a paragraph over copyright concerns. The only source I deleted, however, also did not mention the subject.) GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources in the article are independent, as the first two are by the governing sports org. Still fails GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes the article has weak sources which are pretty much primary sources, but that doesn't negate the article, it needs a clean up. Besides you have other sources at de:Valmir Nafiu, [86], [87], [88], [89], [90], [91], lots more with stuff on him, poor nomination, WP:BEFORE clearly not done correctly in my opinion.. Govvy (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The German wiki has 9 sources, 7 of which are not independent. Of the other 2, one is stats and the other contains little info on him. Your sources are interviews, non independent websites and match reports which isn't sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...Did you actually read those sources? They clearly do not amount to GNG coverage. 1: interview by his football club N. 2: interview in Telegrafi with 1 independent sentence on him N. 3: his football club N. 4: part of 1 sentence in a routine transaction announcement N. 5: part of 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. 6: 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. If you're going to accuse others of being lazy with their BEFOREs maybe don't use such obviously garbage sources as examples of what they missed. JoelleJay (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 07:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I think important context is needed here... The sources do have secondary coevrage and even then if you look at Macedonian media it tends to cover players in the form of seemingly "routine" media (see [92], [93], and [94], as opposed to e.g. Indonesian media which tends to write about players in more long-form profiles). He has been covered by various Macedonian news outlets. As a result, I feel that the fact that he has received lots of coverage by many Macedonian outlets in the form of shorter seemingly "routine" articles ([95], [96], [97] etc, has Wikipedia pages in eight languages and has played in German Bundesliga, made 100+ appearances and helped Macedonian team win three keague titles and has ongoing career is enough all put together. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are "seemingly routine" because they are routine... those are all routine transaction announcements and match reports, which we see loads of for every footballer. Which source specifically meets SPORTCRIT's requirement for IRS SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, leaving aside the first three links, because they're not about this footballer, [10], as JoelleJay caught, is a site run by the governing sports organization and can't help show notability due to lack of independence. I clicked on a few links from [12], which is when I noticed that none of those pages had an author listed. Looking at the site a bit further, their about page reveals this:
Through "TEAM" readers receive original, exclusive, but primarily verified, reliable and accurate information. In addition to the team of professional sports journalists, the top Macedonian athletes in the role of columnists have their own space and say in "TEAM".

Given that the articles written by athletes don't seem labeled, we're going to have a really hard time verifying that anything in this site is independent. And, given that this is a WP:BLP, I don't think articles with unclear authorship can even be used. Can they?

And as for the links in [11]- The previews just seem routine, but I clicked on them all only to get 404 pages. I've been having lots of trouble with Internet Archive for the past day, and I don't feel like struggling with it for what seems to be, again, routine coverage.

@GiantSnowman I trust your judgement, and you obviously saw something I'm missing. Could you give me the sources you saw that show notability? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – In fact, there seems to be a lack of independent sources that provide more in-depth coverage (the best one is from KF Shkendija's own website), but the recreation of the article does not seem to be in bad faith, SALT would be too much. Svartner (talk) 03:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Svartner:, For further context, see my comment above, (GiantSnowman has also changed his vote to keep). Thanks Das osmnezz (talk) 07:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the best source is from the player's own club. For me it is a case of weak keep, but it is on the limit to establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's always routine coverage, talking about parts a player played in a game, Cristiano Ronaldo has huge amounts of what you call routine coverage. You people voting to delete never look at the cumulative amount of sources. This players has more than enough cumulative sourcing to pass WP:BASIC. Govvy (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Obvious keep. Had a long, established first-team career, and the sources shown clearly meet WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources? Because, so far, nobody's linked to any source that is independent, reliable, or gives WP:SIGCOV, so I'm not sure how they can count to the GNG. Could you please link the ones you found convincing? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Govvy's and Das osmnezz's comments above. Also, as Govvy argues immediately above, collective effect is important and real. Anwegmann (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Govvy gave no independent or significant sources- just interviews, database entries, and routine coverage. Das osmnezz also linked to no sources- just a search result, which was annoying seeing as they specifically filtered one of their search results to a non-independent site, but none of the sources seemed to help the subject pass the GNG. I would just like a link to one source that is independent, provides significant coverage, and is reliable. If the subject "clearly" passes the GNG, this should not be hard to provide, and we shouldn't have to fall on a "collaborative effort" style argument.

I also disagree with Govy's interpretation of WP:BASIC, which establishes that
trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability
but I suppose that's a point of policy for the closer to decide. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GreenLipstickLesbian: Firstly it would be polite to ping me when you talk about me, secondly, of the sources I posted, there are multiple independent sources. To say that of the sources I posted above are not independent is a false statement. I look at cumulative count per WP:BASIC, which has multiple published in bold! Followed by secondary sources that are reliable. Yes there are drips and drabs, but under the guise of BASIC you're allowed to hunt down all sources to build that cumulative count. I am using straight forward simple logic. The first part of BASIC is significant coverage, however that does not indicate it needs to be to one article and never has. There for you are allowed to determine sigcov over multiple articles. This is a constant battle and I really don't understand why seasoned Wikipedians constantly fall into the trap thinking that SIGCOV requires a full storied article, why understanding the BASIC rule allows it to built over multiple articles. I strongly suggest you read and re-read the first bullet point on WP:BASIC. Regards Govvy (talk) 10:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see any independant source, sorry. --SGaurier (talk) 23:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others[edit]

Norway[edit]

Pratik Agnihotri[edit]

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Cricket is a negligible sport in Norway and is only practiced in select diaspora communities. That explains why there is not a single - zero - hits in any Norwegian media for Pratik Agnihotri. Google yields LinkedIn and some stat sites. I will defer if there is WP:SIGCOV in other languages. Geschichte (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. AA (talk) 23:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Norway Twenty20 International cricketers Fails WP:GNG, however there is a clear suitable redirect per WP:ATD here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Hegel Audio AS (via WP:PROD on 19 August 2023)

Poland[edit]

Bartosz Brzęk[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG--other than publications affiliated with his team, Lechia Gdansk, there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage of Brzęk available, with several pages of Polish search results containing only very brief mentions in match reports. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Organisation of the Polish Nation - Polish League[edit]

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Does not meet WP:ORGCRITE, coverage in independent secondary sources is fleeting. Cited sources include an opinion piece that does not appear to make mention of the topic ([98]), press releases from the organization itself ([99], [100]), press releases for a counter-protest against an action called by ONP-LP ([101]), and mere mentions in higher quality sources ([102] [103]). Searching online, on Google Scholar, and on Google Books for various permutations of the organization's name and acronym in English and Polish, I was not able to find significant coverage. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I do not want to directly participate in the vote since I am the person behind the article, and I want to apologize since I created this article when my experience was somewhat lacking, and I relied heavily on translating the page from Polish Wikipedia.

I would argue that the quality of the sources for the party is less of the problem of the party being that irrelevant (it participated in elections, which makes it more important than half of the 1990s Polish parties that have articles), and has more with me not doing a good job here. I apologize for my shortcomings and I will try to improve the article in the coming days.
I managed to find following secondary sources that give more information on the party beyond a mere mention:
- Lakomy Lilianna. (2008). Komunikacja perswazyjna w języku polityki na przykładzie polskich kampanii prezydenckich. Praca doktorska. Katowice : Uniwersytet Śląski;
- Jacek Harłukowicz. (2005). Kandydat szuka niszy. https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kandydat-szuka-niszy-6037504817279617a;
- Paweł Malendowicz. (2013). Polonia amerykańska wobec członkostwa Polski w NATO i Unii Europejskiej. Rocznik Integracji Europejskiej. Bygdoszcz;
- Jarosław Tomasiewicz. (2002). Powrót Ligi. Sprawy Polityczne;
- Marcin Kornak. (2008). Katolog wypadków – „Brunatna Księga”. NIGDY WIĘCEJ nr 16.
Thank you. Brat Forelli🦊 18:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the article was clearly improved to a good standard. Polish kurd (talk) 21:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - after improving article, I believe that the amount of references providing non-trivial mentions is sufficient to keep it.

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Keep, article seems relevant to me and I believe the references should meet notability requirements. I also believe it has been improved and well worked on. Mevoelo (talk)

Keep Has contested multiple national elections and received 60,000 votes in one of them. Clearly a notable political party IMO. Number 5 7 01:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Adamson[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article was very stub-y so I did some work filling it out using the references that were there. Someone with better access to Australian sources can probably improve this even more. Lamona (talk) 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A high office multiple diplomat professionally is notable. I disagree this doesn't meets WP:GNG as the nominator said. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Monastyryshche[edit]

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A poorly written article, devoid of reliable sources. In addition, the language is very engaged and one-sided. Marcelus (talk) 18:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You keep going on and on about the poor article, but you won't even point out examples, and on what grounds are the sources unreliable? Querty1231 (talk) 19:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a Stub - these are actual events so what is the point of deleting it? If someone has reliable information to the battle then they can expand it at any time.Olek Novy (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zesławicki Lagoon[edit]

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A small artificial reservoir in suburban Krakow; fails WP:GNG. Both sources in the article are WP:USERGENERATED; a BEFORE search does not unearth any additional qualifying sources. Under WP:NGEO, an artificial infrastructure entity qualifies for notability under GNG and otherwise redirects to the notable feature that prompted its creation. In this case, the river the the lagoon impounds is not notable and thus, without qualifying sources, neither its the lagoon itself. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I haven't translated these but a search for "Zalew Zesławicki" brings up [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109]. I'm not sure if all of these pass GNG, for instance the last one is just a single sentence, but there's at least sources. SportingFlyer T·C 06:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Its likely notable as a geographic feature. There will be the countries water body reference i.e. a Bathymetrical register that describes width/height/depth and 100 other properties. scope_creep^Talk 08:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not listed in the official Polish directory of bodies of water: WYKAZ NAZW WÓD STOJĄCYCH (LIST OF NAMES OF STANDING WATERS). Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dominika Polakowska[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia only contains one source that is a database and no significant coverage. My Google searches also come up with nothing else. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kamil Białas[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep – Sources I got in my Google search may be related to significant coverage: 2010, January 2011, and December 2011. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Artur Orzech[edit]

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Seems to be a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL reality show host. Fails WP:GNG. 178.164.179.49 (talk) 06:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Which reality show? He did not nor does he currently host a reality show. He is an accomplished artist and journalist with very wide recognition in Poland and pretty cult following because of his hosting of the Eurovision transmissions. I wholeheartedly disagree with RUNOFTHEMILL label. 84.188.101.102 (talk) 20:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A well-known Polish presenter and Eurovision Song Contest long-running commentator having commentated 26 contests. If we consider this RUNOFTHEMILL, we will need also to consider Peter Urban (presenter), José Luis Uribarri, José María Íñigo and many other well-known Eurovision Song Contest commentators' articles for deletion. Qcumber (talk) 23:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Well-known" is not a valid reason for deletion. And don't do the Pokemon test. - 178.164.179.49 (talk) 04:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, sir/madam, please, be polite. And explain me what does it mean "pokemon test". And if we need to consider this article for deletion, why don't we need to consider for deletion the articles I mentioned above then?

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The only thing that the article is not expanded enough. Because of this 2021 events take the most part of the article. It's not good. The label prompts that someone will at least take the information from Polish Wiki. But I agree with 84.188.101.102 - I don't think that there is a srong reason to delete the article with RUNOFTHEMILL . Qcumber (talk) 02:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Source in the article are routine mill entertainment news, promo, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth by independent reliable sources. BEFORE found similar, but nothing meeting WP:SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He appears to be a well-known Polish journalist, and his references to music broadcasters and cited content appear to be verified.Sanwalniazik (talk) — Sanwalniazik (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Weak keep. Could find more and better sources than on e.g. Fredrik Renander or Amun Abdullahi.Atlassian (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A quick googling showed many sources: [110], [111], [112], [113], [114], [115], [116], [117], [118].

As well as article collections with and about him [119], [120], etc. Atlassian (talk) 06:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't consider myself competent to evaluate their quality, but taken on face value, the Polish Wikipedia version of this page appears more thoroughly referenced. Lubal (talk) 00:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, obviously passes GNG per sources on our WP page and Polish page, which also include a printed encyclopedia, more is easily findable via Google (see Atlassian examples above). The RUNOFTHEMILL label seems like an excuse to ignore the coverage and not provide an adequate deletion rationale, and describing the subject as a 'reality show host' shows that the IP (who has since made a lot of questionable edits) didn't even bother to read the page, let alone do a minimal WP: BEFORE. --Cavarrone 07:18, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. First thoughts: this article in its current form is rather lopsided to focus on the "dismissal" and reads more like a news article about that occurrence rather than being a biography about Orzech. After review: other editors are correct in pointing out that the sources used here (and actually in the Polish Wiki as well) are passing mentions that he served as commentator, mainly for Eurovision. While at first I was impressed with the size of the Polish Wiki page and the idea that perhaps his bio was more developed there, it is in fact just a prose version of a list of times he'd provided commentary or hosted a program; more like a resume than a biographical overview. The provided sources do not go into any depth about the positions to establish his notability; the sources are instead about the events he was part of. Overall, I do not believe that the subject meets GNG and NBIO. Grk1011 (talk) 13:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per coverage which are extensive. Per sourcing which are third party and reliable. Overall I would say WP:GNG applies.BabbaQ (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I would concur with Grk1011's assessment of the article. The parts on his background and career at TVP are wholly unsourced, and background is also wholly unsourced on the Polish article. Even within the Polish article, which would be the main start for improving this article, it reads more like a CV/resume than an article, and there are large chunks which are unsourced and thus fails WP:VERIFY. WP:BLP, and specifically WP:BLPRS, means that we have to have sources for any information which is potentially challengeable, which would result in cause for the the first two paragraphs to be likely for removal. Taking that aside, we then have an article which is exclusively about the subject's issues with TVP management and the resultant removal from TVP and return following the change in government; having an article with only this means it would fail on WP:SIGCOV. In general I don't believe even with the sourcing available on the Polish Wikipedia or mentioned here that there is enough verifiable referencing to pass WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Please also see here

Portugal[edit]

Claire Rochecouste[edit]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. 2 of The 3 sources are primary. A Google News search yielded nothing in-depth. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 03:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Milroy Goes[edit]

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This appears to be a non-notable filmmaker with no significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. He has directed several non-notable films, ad films, and music videos, including Welcome M1LL10NS, a non-theatrical release whose notability is questionable. The currently cited sources offer nothing beyond passing mentions, and a Google News search yields no helpful results. This fails to meet the criteria of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. GSS ^💬 04:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Based on my check, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. This means the subject completely fails to meet WP:GNG. The majority of the sources are around his films. GrabUp - Talk 05:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Significant coverage in independent (although some articles include interviews), reliable sources. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(and if the majority of sources is considered to be around his films (not sure that can be said, but let's assume it is the case, it means that the films may be considered notable, so that he would meet WP:DIRECTOR). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think the article about his film meets WP:GNG as it requires in-depth coverage from multiple sources. The cited sources seem unreliable to me or are full of quotations from connected individuals. It fails WP:NFILM as no reviews were found and WP:NFO because the film only received coverage at the time of its release. To pass, it requires “publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film’s initial release.” I can nominate that article anytime soon. GrabUp - Talk 09:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mushy Yank, could you point out sources that provide "significant coverage"? WP:SIGCOV requires coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail." Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, almost all the sources are merely name drops. Additionally, I agree with Grabup that the film they directed appears to be non-notable as it lacks the coverage required by WP:GNG and shows no evidence of notability under WP:NFILM.

Regarding your claim of meeting WP:NDIRECTOR, it is weak for two reasons: first, the film is likely not notable, and second, there is no coverage that discusses the subject in detail. WP:BIOSPECIAL states that "If neither a satisfying explanation nor appropriate sources can be found for a standalone article, but the person meets one or more of the additional criteria: Merge the article into a broader article providing context." However, this is likely not possible due to the weak notability of the film. GSS ^💬 09:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At random, for example:

Perhaps the film producer with the most interesting experience is Milroy Goes whose film Welcome Millions is being shown on Amazon Prime in Europe and America after being dubbed in the local language. It is expected to be available for viewership in India shortly. Made in three languages and shot in Goa, Punjab, and the UK, the movie was meant to have its premiere at the IFFI 2019 but was turned down because it had been one of two Indian film selected by the Oscar committee. (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/It’s-time-to-go-‘Over-the-Top’-for-Konkani-cinema/161417)

In 2012, director Milroy Goes brought about a whole new change in Konkani cinema by introducing his digital theatrical film, (as was mentioned in the Afd about The Victim) (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/Good-days-ahead-for-Goan-cinema/108329)

Pervis Milroy Goes, known better as Milroy Goes is an Indian film director from Goa. He hails from the beautiful village of Cuncolim in South Goa. He ventured into the Film Industry in 2007 with his first short film “Vengeance”. Milroy gained a lot of recognition as a film director soon after the release of his second short film “Unexpected” in 2009. Milroy was mentored by a French film enthusiast named Anthony Coombs-Humphreys, who not only believed in Milroy’s potential as a filmmaker but also assisted him in producing a remake of his short film “Unexpected” for the international audience. The movie, which was titled “Expect the Unexpected”, featured a Bollywood actor named Deepraj Rana. The movie was released in 2011 and received very good reviews. Milroy Goes’ film “Welcome Millions”, which was released in 2018, was eligible for the Best Picture Award in the General Entry category at the 91st Academy Awards (Oscars) in 2019, but was not nominated. Milroy Goes is credited with being the person to introduce digital cinema in Goa with his debut theatrical film “The Victim” (2012).Besides filmmaking, Milroy Goes also has various other business ventures including a coffee shop, an artist management firm and a Portuguese passport consultancy firm. (It's Goa)

These are just examples, it's +- short but significant imv, and there are many of those. If really everyone agrees this is not enough, nor for the film(s) nor for him, may I suggest a redirect for all of them to Konkani cinema (another guideline might apply if one considers the regional scope), that might help add prose to the page, which is very listy. I'm not that interested in this filmmaker, to be honest, and will probably leave it at that (I am not watching this), Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think Heraldgoa’s covarage can establish notability. And Itsgoa is a self-proclaimed blog based site according to their about us page. As it says “ ItsGoa was started in 2015, with the aim of becoming the premier portal for all things Goa. Today with thousands of visitors a month from across the world, our blog based website has transcended the virtual space, with the ItsGoa magazine – a sought after resource for visitors to Goa.” GrabUp - Talk 11:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa: A blog, yes, technically, but not a personal one and that is what matters (WP:EXPERTSPS). As for O Heraldo, not sure what you mean, but it's one of the (if not the, in English) main newspapers in Goa!! Again, a redirect to Konkani cinema might be considered. Really no time to make any further comments, sorry. Decide what you think is best. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa is not only a blog, but the article you mentioned above is an interview, and such articles are not accepted for establishing notability. Additionally, there is no evidence of who runs that blog or their background, nor are there details on their editorial policies. Such sources fall under WP:QUESTIONABLE. The section "The Folks Behind The Jokes" on their about us page states, "Our writers come from all walks of life, and through our social media handles," confirming that they lack real editorial control. They also encourage people to send in their stories and experiences, share their events and happenings, or create discussions around the articles they post, further undermining their reliability. The other two sources you mentioned are just passing mentions and are not even close to WP:INDEPTH. GSS ^💬 12:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't even think redirection would help, almost TOOSOON. If his film was eligible for the Academy nomination, but didn't make the cut, it could represent the start of the notability journey, but nothing yet. Sources as explained above aren't helpful Oaktree b (talk) 12:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although the film came out in 2018, it's had enough time to get critical coverage; that nothing has been found in the last 5+ years is proof of non-notability for this person, likely also for the film. Oaktree b (talk) 14:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Insufficient evidence of in-depth coverage even though there are many references that disguise it as such. The sources aren't reliable enough. Haruka Amaranth 14:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This may need rewriting but doesn't meet our WP:SIGCOV. When an article is WP:MILL, there are more or less no substantial edit to make it notable. Also WP:LOTSOFSOURCES cant help either. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diogo Gama[edit]

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Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: WP:CSK#1 applies as no deletion rationale has been presented. Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I have added the rationale now. Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portgual Featured at a World Cup and for a minor nation, struggling to see suitable sourcing but there maybe more offline. Redirect a suitable WP:ATD for now. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A week has not passed since the rationale was added. It should have been there the moment the AfD was posted, not tagged on later. This should have been closed immediately for lack of rationale. The original lack of rationale suggests WP:BEFORE issue. The lack of rationale other than noting lack of sources, including failure to discuss notability, still suggests WP:BEFORE issue. Do we know anything about the individual covered by the article? Did the nominator "take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources"? Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have searched google and unable to find proper news articles on this individual. If you can find any, please post here.Shinadamina (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portgual per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonçalo Foro[edit]

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career, albeit for a minor nation, however a simple search is bringing up coverage. I imagine there will highly likely be more offline or not easily accessible non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Having an extensive career is not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link them here. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We also don't give weight of location, because there maybe system bias from you saying "of a minor nation". Maybe I misunderstood that and still will need correction. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP article fails GNG, ANYBIO, and WP:SPORTSPERSON which was recently revised for this exact situation and requires at least one independent reliable source which directly details the subject. BusterD (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No established form of notability. Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others[edit]

Romania[edit]

Imperium (film series)[edit]

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The article is unsourced. I don't see why this topic deserves an article as there are no sources on the Imperium series, only sources on the individual movies. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zsolt Kosz[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't know much about WP:NSKATE but for WP:SPORTSBIO and WP:GNG, this is not notable. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lya Stern[edit]

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This article is mainly a resume. Most of the sources in the article consist of dead links from websites that are related to Lya Stern; the rest of the sources either have brief mentions of her or don't mention her at all. After doing a Google search to see if there were sources that could be added to the article, the only significant coverage I found of her was from a website that listed Wikipedia as a source. The rest of the information I found was from her YouTube channel and mentions of her from her students. As a result, she doesn't met WP:GNG or WP:NBLP. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 20:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment One source via Newspapers.com goes into some depth. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (Weak) - There is a big gap in WP on instrumental performers who have created the American musical/movie music scene, and in general the encyclopedia is too quick to delete (especially for women and minority performers), but here I think the AfD is correct. The Baltimore Sun article gives a bit of notability, but the other sources do not. A blurb on the back of one's teacher's independently published book is not enough. There needs to be more and I could not find anything that led to more than what a local performing teacher would have. Glad to be proven wrong. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 08:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there is a staff written bio at AllMusic here and an album review here to go with the detailed Baltimore Sun article linked earlier by Hameltion. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does Eudice Shapiro have to do with the subject of this article? That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 23:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just agreeing with That Tired Tarantula above -- @Atlantic306 you have linked to reviews for a different musician. If Lya Stern had an Allmusic staff bio, that would be relevant, but I could not find one. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, have struck my vote and comment. In my defence the erroneous AllMusic bio is the first reference in the article but I should have noticed, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom lacks coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Others[edit]

Bianca gas field (via WP:PROD)
Brădești gas field (via WP:PROD)
Clara gas field (via WP:PROD)
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Russia[edit]

Viktor Bolkhovsky[edit]

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should be considered for deletion due to insufficient notability or significance of the subject, as evidenced by a lack of substantial verifiable information and reliable sources to support their notability Welcome to Pandora (talk) 11:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: The sources in the article include extensive profiles on the Moskovskij Komsomolets, Argumenty i Fakty, and REN TV. Way more than sufficient to show WP:NBIO. Broc (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. The sources on this are good. For a Russian crime topic, probably above average. As far as I can see, everything is cited. What? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Russia Air Force Tupolev Tu-22M crash[edit]

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Fails WP:EVENTS: no WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE or WP:LASTING effects. Rosbif73 (talk) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War. The accident does not have sustained continued coverage with a lack of reliable (secondary) sources and no clear notability established other than the type of aircraft itself. A merge and redirect to List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War would be the preferable solution as the event does not warrant a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to extant entry at List of aircraft losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War. Wikipedia is not a news host, and there is nothing particularly notable or enduring about the coverage of this loss in comparison to the hundreds of others without articles. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Esterhuyzen[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luhansk People's Republic–Russia relations[edit]

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Does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Aldij (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Bauman[edit]

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Moved unilaterally to mainspace after prior draftification. I see poor referencing, churnalism, and lists of "stuff" albeit as prose. WP:BIO insists on references for facts subject to challenge, and there is a shortfall, so I see a WP:BIO failure. I also see WP:ADMASQ for a WP:ROTM "cross-platform media executive, filmmaker, print and broadcast journalist, and environmentalist." doing his job. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: PROMO. The sourcing used is either primary or passing mentions. Nothing we'd use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques").

I can't assess https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/business/grid-news-site-live.html (walled).
https://www.axios.com/2021/07/10/dc-journalists-launch-media-company is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/grid-news-the-messenger-startup is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, zero discussion of Bauman.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/tech-exec-invests-in-digital-news-startup-launched-by-veteran-journalists.html is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman; everything seemingly about him is actually claims about the startup attributed to Bauman.
https://digiday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/07/DIGIDAY-MEDIA-AWARDS_Winners-Guide-2023_062923-2.pdf is a non-sequitur.
I can't assess https://www.adweek.com/media/laura-mcgann-has-reimagined-reporting-using-an-intersectional-structurally-focused-approach/ (walled). Given the article is about someone else, I can't imagine this is too useful for an article on Bauman.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181001-is-this-the-last-chance-to-see-the-titanic is useless for notability (too sparse, possibly wrong subject). Shit He Says, no actual discussion of Bauman. I should note that my own search for sources (string: "Mark Bauman") returned primarily non-responsive content, so I would be very concerned about conflating multiple Mark Baumans.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190519214223/https://www.virtualwonders.com/ is useless for notability (website homepage).
https://thinkwellgroup.com/blog/2020/08/21/exploring-the-details-with-virtual-wonders/ is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://wyse.gmu.edu/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). I note this bio omits anything involving GRID or any media startups; one would think, given their journalism pedigree is mentioned, that these would be brought up.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/speaker/mark-bauman is useless for notability (connexion to subject). The image on this page looks like a completely different guy from the WYSE image, disregarding the glasses.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/ng-live-engineering-exploration-technology/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-17-ca-cinefile17_-story.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Shit He Says, no discussion of Bauman.
https://www.documentary.org/column/festival-focus-national-geographic-all-roads-film-festival is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
We don't cite IMDb (no editorial oversight).
https://www.media.mit.edu/events/media-lab-conversations-series-mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Event programme.
https://www.darwinfoundation.org/en/about/our-people2/board-of-directors/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He's on the BoD for the Darwin Foundation.
https://www.asoc.org/about/our-team/#board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Again, BoD.
https://conservefish.org/news/marine-fish-conservation-network-welcomes-tom-sadler-new-deputy-director-mark-bauman-board-directors-member/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). Press release from an organisation he was joining.
https://voicesforbiodiversity.org/about/advisory-board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
We can't use https://wyse.gmu.edu/ (website homepage).
https://mediaschool.indiana.edu/news-events/news/item.html?n=media-school-visiting-professors-include-award-winning-media-executive-and-npr-tv-critic is useless for notability (connexion to subject). News from a university who's bringing him on as a guest professor.
https://www.cmu.edu/homepage/creativity/2010/fall/gigapixel-show.shtml is useless for notability (too sparse, connexion to subject). Name-drop in an article about an event CMU is holding.
We can't use either YouTube source (unknown provenance). YouTube videos must be (1) produced by an outlet we would consider to be a reliable source and (2) uploaded to that outlet's verified channel to be linked to, let alone cited.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/globalforum2022 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Expo held by an organisation he's on the BoD of, and where he was scheduled to speak.
We can't use https://www.erskine.edu/2023/02/07/stukes-lecture-set-for-march-1/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (If this is a press release, it's useless for notability (no editorial oversight).)
https://www.iinteract.org/about-us is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
https://www.wliw.org/about/awards/ is a non-sequitur.
https://crossingborders.education/people/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.

None of the sources I can assess are any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, here's a link for the NY Times article, it isn't about the person discussed here, mostly about the Grid website [121] Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - coverage is from primary sources, IMDB or passing mentions. Hkkingg (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've already made many edits based on reviews and thought it was ready for mainspace. Can someone please help me redraft this article to meet Wikipedia standards? Terry Phillips (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you find much better sources, any effort at redrafting would be futile. We're looking for in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-Bauman news/scholarly sources that discuss him at length, are written by identifiable authors, and subjected to rigourous editorial oversight and fact-checking. Without those, the subject cannot hope to meet WP:N or WP:BLP. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gemma Khalid[edit]

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Significance for WP:BIO is not visible.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 03:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the corresponding article in Russian. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Danila Kashin[edit]

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Per WP:SINGLEEVENT. The remaining sources are news articles. Skepsiz (talk) 18:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources in the article are in non-RS per Cite HIghligher or appear to be primary. I don't see any sources about this person in my searches Oaktree b (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Social media of all types, then off into non-RS territory. Oaktree b (talk) 23:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrey Shishkin[edit]

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Self-proclaimed painter. No notability, no significant achievements, no reliable art criticism. Cross-wiki spam. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The article seems to cite reliable sources (academic articles), but I can't be bothered to go through the steps needed to machine translate PDFS (hence, comment, not a vote). However, source analysis is necessary to prove that notability is not given here - the nom makes such a claim but does not provide analysis of sources. It may also be worthwhile to check concurrent discussion at ru:Википедия:К_удалению/14_мая_2024#Шишкин,_Андрей_Алексеевич. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- These sources are not academic in the full sense of the word. They are published in the collections of articles everybody can submit for a a small amount of money, their only author is a local schoolteacher, not an expert in art (this was the main reason for deletion in Russian wikipedia). Not a single art institution knows this painter, no exhibitions, no art criticism. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. What is a non-self-proclaimed painter? Is it when someone is actually not a painter, but is called such by someone's else? Isn't that called hoax then? Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Non-self-proclaimed painter is the painter whose works are in museums and acclaimed galleries, reviewed with art critics and art historians, published in esteemed editions. Wikipedia is for collecting information about this kind of authors. This is what the criteria of notability are about. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AGAINST Ты что, коммунист? что с тобой не так ??? << самопровозглашенный художник >> не можешь терпеть приличное искусство, настоящее, душевное искусство? ахуенный ... 98.240.113.219 (talk) 22:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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very sorry sir just his name is russian i wanted to reply like this i found it to be more pertinent

romanenko's remarks are laced with vitriol below the surface and betray a certain negative attitude, which he also expressed on ruwiki, where he was unfortunately successful in having the corresponding article deleted

@Андрей Романенко tell me that over four hundred paintings like this and reference to your work in scholarly papers is not a 'significant achievement'

how can you call him a 'self-proclaimed painter' looking at the exemplars of his work ???

i have seen on the english-speaking internet several memes using his painting Благословение ратника

this one for example https://ifunny.co/picture/how-it-feels-to-inherit-the-family-suicide-revolver-aUDIhr0PA

they're hard to find by searching, because of course the name and author of the painting are not provided

more professional websites where his work is posted

https://www.rbth.com/arts/335686-ancient-east-slavs-art

https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/41202

https://christian.art/daily-gospel-reading/luke-2-22-40-2020/

the followers of the rabbi yeshua really like his admittedly charming depiction by the avowed pagan shishkin

some private blogs

https://www.livemaster.com/topic/2998743-legends-and-stories-of-the-artist-andrey-shishkin

https://art-in-eastern-europe.blogspot.com/2016/09/andrey-shishkin.html

not enough criticism for you ? tell me again how he is a 'self-proclaimed painter'

have you painted a wall ? 98.240.113.219 (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- The fact that someone's pictures are available in the Web at different obscure websites does not make their authors notable, neither does being mentioned in nobody knows whose blogs. No exhibtions in any known galleries, no works in museums, no art criticism in any known editions, no catalogues, no prizes, no place in professional art community, zero level of notability. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 10:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  We have already in the article sources from academic journals.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals
  
  This guideline applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals. Such a person is notable if:
  
  The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
  
  The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; or
  
  The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series); or
  
  The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
  
  Shishkin is one of the leading figures in pagan / Slavic fantasy art in Russia, a collective body of work, and he is prominently featured in these papers, which are cited in the article. So does he not meet the third criterion ? 98.240.113.219 (talk) 21:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - - Writings of a local schoolteacher published in insignificant editions where authors themselves are paying for publication (see here for instance) are not qualified to determine whether the painter played a major role in anyhting or not. However, the author (A. Gizbrecht) does not claim anything about Shishkin at all, he just briefly mentions several of his paintings. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Were the authors "local schoolteachers" or not?
      
      And you must know that every scientific paper charges some fee to publish
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_processing_charge
      
      98.240.113.219 (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Many good journals do not have apc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Surikov (diplomat)[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Recently deceased Russian diplomat. Sources found in article and BEFORE fail WP:SIRS. Source eval:

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Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	1. www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	2. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 29, 2017 No. 348 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Mozambique”" . Archived from the original on 2019-01-26 . Retrieved 2017-09-14 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	3. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of February 16, 2018 No. 76 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Kingdom of Swaziland on a part-time basis”" . Archived from the original on 2018-02-16 . Retrieved 2018-02-16 .
Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	4. ^ www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Obit based on government sources, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	5. ^ "Russian Ambassador to Mozambique Died" . TACC (in Russian) . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .

BEFORE found name mentions and government statements they released, and an interview, nothing meet WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 02:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: First and foremost, lower your tone while nominating the article for deletion. Secondly, government decrees can be used as secondary sources as if you can type the full name in a Russian, many sources will pop up, (in Russian of course), apart from the official government statement. Here's my third point, he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office. Would you delete the ambassador of the United States of Mozambique for that reason? Ivan Milenin (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office Ambassadors are not inherently notable, several hundred have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 of the sources are primary. The other is routine coverage of his unfortunate death. Fails WP:BIO. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm leaning to keep, but if if it's drafted... I wouldn't be surprised as well.Ivan Milenin (talk) 05:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I decided to keep because even if the some coverage had been lacking, I found some source that could suffice these... Ivan Milenin (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC) [122] [123][reply]

Grigori Chernozubov[edit]

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Clearly fails notability guidelines, no significant coverage. No reason for this article. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 00:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The page on Russian Wikipedia seems to be more in-depth and has more sources. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is still no notability, and one "brief" biography isn't really enough to build an entire article.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. He has a plaque dedicated to him, and streets namead after him, should be expanded with transation from Russian version F.Alexsandr (talk) 23:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to speak the language, I will be happy to withdraw the request if you can bring it up to snuff.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per comments above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I can see multiple Google books refs in Russian. Mccapra (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. We simply have no sources. "Mentions in books," which one sporadically will encounter, amounts to very little; significant references in independent, third-party texts are required. And the one live link found takes us to a privately curated website. The Russian lemma is no help, either: It only offers a typical "listing of generals by seniority."

Others[edit]

カ・ア・セメンジャーエフ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
セメンジャーエフ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Κ. Α. Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Κονσταντίν Αντόλφοβιτς Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Κονσταντίν Α. Σεμεντγιάγιεφ → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
谢缅佳耶夫 → Konstantin Adolfovic Semendyayev (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Collection of bad WP:RFOREIGN. The target is not Chinese, Greek or Japanese and seems to have no connection to the three countries. I excluded all Latin alphabet redirects to the same target from this nom, but they definitely need some scrutiny. I don't have the knowledge to tell which of the multiple romanizations used is correct or not and I want to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK so, if anyone else wants to deal with that mess, be my guest. Nickps (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The following translits are also not really useful due to diacritics: Konstantin Adolfovič Semendjajew, Konstantin Adol'fovič Semendjaev, Konstantin Adolʹfovič Semendjaev. --Викидим (talk) 22:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some transliteration schemes include diacritics, some don't. Unfortunately, there is no one universal scheme and there have been many changes over the decades, so if we want people to get successfully redirected to our article no matter what variant they find in their texts we have to cover them all. Redirects are cheap. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. These are all spellings of the name actually used in various foreign-language publications of the author now or at some point in the past. Without them, people using foreign-language editions of these books will have almost no chance to find our article about the author. That's what redirects are used for per WP:REDIR. If we delete them we gain nothing, but only make it more difficult or next to impossible for our readers to use Wikipedia successfully for their purposes, in particular in case of names originating in foreign languages. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This Wikipedia is written for English speakers. For them, these redirects are very obscure synonyms and therefore don't need to exist. If lots of English speakers read the Chinese version of the subject's work (or are familiar enough with it to search for his name in that language), a redirect from his name is Chinese would be appropriate but this has not been demonstrated. Nickps (talk) 12:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

イ・エヌ・ブロンシュテイン → Ilya Nikolaevich Bronshtein (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RFOREIGN. The target has no mention of Japan or the subject's relation with it. Nickps (talk) 12:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Serbia[edit]

Stefan Savić (Serbian footballer)[edit]

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This men's footballer, who seems to have a minor career, last played one appearance for BSK Borca in 2016 before disappearing from the football world. Using his name in Cyrillic (Стефан Савић), my Google search exclusively came up with that Montenegrin footballer; nothing about the Serb with the same birth name. The only reliable source regarding AfD target seems to be Sportski Žurnal when he played for FK Sloga Petrovac na Mlavi in 2015. However, after translation, it's only a passing mention in squad list which definitely doesn't count as significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Srđan Škulić[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO; created by a fairly new editor who doesn't understand much English (they made test edits at KDCD-TV). Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Serbian Rugby League Cup[edit]

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Unreferenced, fails notabilty Mn1548 (talk) 13:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Alternative merge and redirect to Serbian Rugby League. Mn1548 (talk) 13:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My preference however is to delete, given the state of the article, and lack of information on the competition format, and lack of context of how it fits into the Serbian season. Mn1548 (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There are some sources available in English, European Rugby League has match reports for the finals from 2014 to 2017 and 2021, also a preview of the 2021 final which gives a bit of background history. These could be enough to establish notability. The Serbian RL website (in Serbian) also has lists of winners and of finals, but some data is missing, and there is nothing about an international cup. Due to the lack of match details, such as team lists and scorers, the article could be reformatted as a simple wikitable based on what can be verified. EdwardUK (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou, that page looks alot nicer. 😊 Mn1548 (talk) 13:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New opinion Thanks to EdwardUK I think there are sufficient sources to keep the article. Mn1548 (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect – Per @Mn1548. Svartner (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - all content has citations and there appear to be enough sources to indicate notability. EdwardUK (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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