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- Patrick Bet-David (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Even though there's lots of sources, upon closer inspection most of them are low quality/unreliable (LADbible, National Today, SportsKeeda, Leaders.com, Market Realist, TeamBoma, Financhill), self-published like podcasts, YouTube videos or Bloomberg company profiles or books he has published, which are not independent. The Yahoo Finance articles are reprints of PRnewswire (a press-release service) and Moneywise (which looks like a low-quality source). Even most of the articles by reliable sources (Sports Illustrated, Toronto Sun, CBS News, Los Angeles Times) aren't really about Bet-David and thus don't count for significant coverage.
The Fortune article is an article that Bet-David wrote rather than a profile, so I don't think it counts for notability either. The Barron's and The Real Deal articles covers a house he purchased, which maybe counts for notability, but the focus of the article seems to be on the house sale price rather than David himself. There is no consensus on the reliability of Entrepreneur magazine (see WP:RSP) and concerns that the publication includes promotional content/undisclosed paid articles. The previous AfD from 2018 closed as delete. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: Plenty of articles written by this fellow, nothing about him... Even the last AfD is well-reasoned; the sources given there were PR or reprints of PR items. I can't find anything we can use. The sources now in the article are articles written by this person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete doesn't pass WP:GNG and reads a bit like a drafted CV. SportingFlyer T·C 02:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Campaigns of Nader Shah (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article doesn't have any source for its notability. There's no source explicitly mentioning "Naderian Wars" or "Campaigns of Nader Shah" with its fictitious timeline. Clearly it's full of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH mess, It's just impersonating Napoleonic Wars. Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 12:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I looked at the equivalent articles on other wikis and most are barely sourced spam but the Italian one is extensively written and has numerous sources. I don’t think the nominator has clearly established that no sources use this term. Mccapra (talk) 13:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There is indeed no source defining "Naderian Wars" or "Campaigns of Nader Shah" as a whole. At this rate anyone can create articles on the campaigns of any other personalities, but we have to make sure that sources do cover such campaigns or wars instead of covering some battles. Unlike Napoleonic Wars, it doesn't have any source for defining "Naderian Wars". Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 13:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment I find it a bit ironic that the nominator themself just recently made an article that is exactly the way they have described this one [1], whose deletion [2] they are opposing. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not ironic when I have myself asked to draftify the article so it can be improved. Could you please go through WP:AADP? Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 13:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify will not fix a WP:OR and WP:SYNTH mess that shouldn't exist in the first place (also, you initially pushed for a keep very hard, so you're not being completely honest here). If anything, you're the one who needs to go through our guidelines. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @HistoryofIran Well, at least the sources I have cited do cover Devapala's conflicts with Tibet but that's not the case here. Can you give us a source where "Naderian Wars" is covered notably. And I still don't get why you are bringing other topics to this discussion. Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 13:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. A quick search at Scholar finds a multitude of sources. There is no reason whatever to claim that a source is off-topic just because it doesn't have two specific phrases. Just search for "Nader Shah" and lots of sources that describe his campaigns come up. The article is about a historical phenomenon, not about a phrase. The article at present is not well written and needs a lot more inline sourcing, but that is not an AfD issue. Zerotalk 03:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- And at the same time, we don't find a source explicitly covering "Naderian Wars". Hope we are not creating "Campaigns of X" and "Campaigns of Y" just because there are lots of sources on X and Y. The article is full OR and SYNTH at best. Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 13:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't seem to understand the role of article titles. There are only a few articles where the title is the subject of the article. Usually the title defines the topic and there is no need for the sources to even mention the words that are in the title provided they address the same topic. Also if the article has OR and SYNTH that's reason to clean it up, not reason to delete it. The role of AfD is to decide if the topic is suitable for an article, not to decide if an article is well written. Zerotalk 14:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That said I can work on "Campaigns of Khalid ibn al-Walid" or "Campaigns of Bajirao I" if I want? And also in these cases there are many sources dealing with their military career. Moreover I find in the above HistoryofIran's comment contradicting you; Draftify will not fix a WP:OR and WP:SYNTH mess that shouldn't exist in the first place, I guess we need more participation in this discussion. Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 12:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You can work on any topic that meets the guidelines for having an article. Also, HistoryofIran is mistaken about the role of OR and SYNTH at AFD, and has also not provided any evidence of those defects being present. The only relevance would if there was something about the topic that prevented a policy-conformant article, which is obviously not the case. Zerotalk 13:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I think there has been a misunderstanding here. I was not referring to this article. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Obviously notable topic and fair split from main biographical and region history articles. Sourcing and citations could be improved and infobox trimmed, but those are editing problems, not deletion criteria. Folly Mox (talk) 11:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just asking. Is it fair to combine all the campaigns and wars of historical figures in one article even if it's not given pass by reliable sources? Doesn't that come under WP:SYNTH? Based.Kashmiri (🗨️) 18:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nima Hashemi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:DIRECTOR and WP:GNG. I don't see any RS. Claggy (talk) 02:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Draftify for now: I would have thought he might be notable as stage director but fair enough. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify: per the discussion at Hereditary Villa's AFD, the sources in both articles are all from Iranian news agencies that were deemed unreliable on the fawiki, according to the nominator. So there is currently no RS presented in the article that would fulfill GNG. The director also only has a handful of stage plays and one feature film that has not yet been released to his name, so it is unlikely that he passes WP:DIRECTOR as well. However, I think he might be able to demonstrate notability with his upcoming feature film, which has an imminent release date. Therefore, I second Mushy Yank's proposal to draftify the article, which seems like the most reasonable option at the moment. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 09:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ayatollah Khamenei's letter to students at U.S. universities (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not need to be a separate article and not notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, but article requires significant improvement.
- Coverage that is at least potentially RS (not necessarily complete) which is not currently included in the article:
- FortunateSons (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:NOTNEWS Ladsgroupoverleg 09:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The subjects passes the WP:GNG criteria certainly. Besides the sources listed by FortunateSons there are other reliable sources like Newsweek (another article by Newsweek), the hill, and Fox News. Moreover, the supreme leader is considered notable enough so his letters sparks significant coverage by the sources. Btw, I created the page. --Mhhossein talk 09:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete this does seem to fail WP:NOTNEWS at the moment, needs sustained coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 18:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Khamenei's letter went out on May 30, and you say on May 31 that there is not "sustained coverage"? VR (Please ping on reply) 03:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I said it needs sustained coverage, and the article's pretty bad. Furthermore, all of the sources found so far are from last month - it certainly hasn't been very SUSTAINED yet... SportingFlyer T·C 22:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Ayatollah Khamenei. The letter is a work of a notable person, not a notable work. BD2412 T 01:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, it passes WP:GNG. As more news comes in, it can be improved to pass the enduring notability as well. Ghazaalch (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:NOTNEWS Hosseinronaghi (talk) 14:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- keep ofcourse https://search.brave.com/search?q=khamenei+letter+american+student&source=android many sources have written Baratiiman (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not Fawiki [3] Baratiiman (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:NOTNEWS This article is not important enough to be on Wikipedia (Encyclopaedia's article). It's more like propaganda. Déjà vu • ✉ 00:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- For those who point to WP:NOTNEWS; The letter was issued on 30 May 2024 with a handful of reliable sources covering it deeply (listed by me and FortunateSons) hence establishing the WP:Notability. Now let's see if NOTNEWS is even applicable here:
- Original reporting: Easily rebutted. The current article is written based on secondary reliable sources, so there is no original reporting.
- News reports: "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events." I wonder how users realized, less than 24 hours [4] after the official publication of the letter, that the subject does not have an "enduring notability"! This is while some sources are published after 48 hours ago [5], let alone those published some hours ago [6].
- Who's who and Celebrity gossip and diary: Easily rebutted. The current article is not even about an individual.
- WP:GNG is passed and the enduring notability assessment requires more time to pass. --Mhhossein talk 13:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to the closing admin: Multiple users are coming from Fa wiki with some having their first AFD !vote here. There seems to be an attempt aimed at defecting the consensus building process here. --Mhhossein talk 12:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also notice this one please. --Mhhossein talk 13:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Such interactions by the head of state of a theocracy to a significant section of Western society is quite rare. As a comment it would be nice to have this in Wikisource if applicable. Borgenland (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge about one sentence into Ayatollah Khamenei, where it is entirely missing, as an unjustified SPINOUT. No objection to delete either, yet merge is the optimum. gidonb (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Ali Khamenei is already ~10,000 words in prose. According to WP:SIZERULE it is somewhere between "Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed" and "Probably should be divided or trimmed". So merging an article there would not be advisable.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Khamanei's previous such letter (To the Youth in Europe and North America in 2015) turned out to be an enduring article. His current letter has not just been covered in the US and Iran, but also India, Australia, Tanzania, Israel, Turkey etc. Since the letter was only published 3 days ago, coverage at this stage will obviously be only news articles.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge to Ali Khamenei. The letter is a work of a notable person, not a notable work. The Banner talk 14:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or Merge. WP:NOTNEWS and also WP:NOPAGE. this article only makes sense of broader contexts and is better covered in the responses section of 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses or in Ali Khamenei User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Zahedan Stadium (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Merge Fails to meet WP:GNG. Should be included in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahedan#Sports
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- Weak Keep AfD is not for merge requests, and I think both of the sources in the article demonstrate notability when translated. I just don't know how to do a WP:BEFORE search for this one, but stadiums of this capacity are generally notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Merge/redirect to Zahedan#Sports no coverage for its own article. GiantSnowman 16:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hereditary Villa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The film doesn't meet WP:NFILM. No any WP:RS also. Claggy (talk) 14:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment: @Claggy: I'm a bit confused, as the article has already cited seven sources from Mehr News Agency, Hamshahri, Borna News Agency [fa], Iranian Labour News Agency, Pupils Association News Agency, and Namnamak News. None of these seem like inherently unreliable sources. So I was wondering perhaps your concern is more along the lines of WP:TOOSOON, given that the film has not yet been released? However, the sources from Borna, ILNA, and PANA do seem to back up the fact that the film has already entered production and finished filming. This would suggest the article has passed WP:NFF as well. Could you please provide some additional elaboration on the rationales behind the nomination? —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 14:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Prince of Erebor Hi, The Persian-language news agencies inside Iran that you mentioned are generally not valid even in Persian Wikipedia. This article doesn't meet any of the WP:NFILM and WP:GNG criteria. I don't see any WP:RS here. Claggy (talk) 00:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Claggy: Hi Claggy, thanks for explaining! I can't read Persian and didn't see the above sources listed at the Persian Wikipedia's List of Perennial sources, so I will trust Claggy in good faith. If the Persian sources from news agencies currently in the article are considered unreliable, no RS are presented to back this unreleased film, so I guess it fails NFILM and it is WP:TOOSOON. A redirect to a major creator at this point seems more appropiate. I second Mushy Yank's proposal and change my vote to
Redirect to Nima Hashemi. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 02:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Prince of Erebor Actually the director also doesn't pass WP:GNG. Him article has been deleted 3 times in Persian Wikipedia. Claggy (talk) 02:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Took a look at the director's article, which was also heavily based on Iranian news agency sources (eg, Mehr, Borna, Young Journalists Club), and was accordingly deemed unreliable on the fawiki. Since the proposed redirect destination is most likely to face deletion (if not, ATD), while this film does actually receive a certain degree of media coverage and has an imminent release date, I agree that it would be more reasonable to Draftify the article for now. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 09:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Saeed Reza Khoshshans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not qualify under WP:GNG, as the sources (both in article and in BEFORE search) appear to be affiliated with the author, press releases, or trivial mentions. (One source might qualify, but we need multiple.) The subject also does not meet the criteria of WP:NACADEMIC or WP:NWRITER. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Amir Hossein Hashemi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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doesn't meet WP:GNGACTOR, Non include WP:RSP Claggy (talk) 05:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete while at first glance it may appear he has a lot of coverage, after checking each citation, most were bio pages and not articles, there were 2 interviews, 5 or 6 dead links, or just passing mentions. Hkkingg (talk) 07:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I can't access the sources but if the article bearer has appeared in all those films when google-searched, then it meets NACTOR. However, let me hope for an SA table. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Omid Mehrpour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lacks significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. The current sources do not provide the required coverage about the subject, as they are either passing mentions, profiles, or not reliable. GSS 💬 10:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: This subject deserves a Wikipedia Page as per WP:Academics. It fulfills The criteria for academic personals.
- As per the criteria, a subject is considered notable if it fulfills one of the listed criteria. In this case the subject fulfills 1 or more of the WP:Academics criteria as following.
- Criteria 1a: Highly Cited publications
- •The subject is among top 2% of highly cited scientists according to the Stanford/Elsevier database. 1
- •The subject has also high citation metrics on Google scholar. 2 Here below is the list of some scholars with equal status having Wikipedia page and lesser citations on google scholar than this subject for comparison:
- 1. Ahmad Reza Djali, his Google Scholar Metrics 3
- 2. Saba Valadkhan, her google scholar Metrics 4
- 3. Neda Alijani, his google scholar Metrics 5
- Criteria 1d: The subject has served as editorial board member of known scientific journals. 6 7 8 9 10
- Criteria 1e. The subject had been selected in competitive fellowships 11 12
- Criteria 2: The subject has been awarded academic awards. 13
- As per the criteria for academic peoples, the subject is notable enough for having separate Wikipedia page. Joidfybvc (talk) 10:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 12:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep: I'm not sure the academic awards are notable; his publication records seems ok. Just passing academic notability. Lots of fluff now in the article, but we can edit that. Oaktree b (talk) 13:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: An article that weakly meets WP:SIGCOV. I am also certain of meeting WP:NAUTHOR from researches and publications. I'm considering this for a second chance though. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. First off, nobody deserves an article on Wikipedia. We are a private charity, not a government agency, and in 2024, everyone knows, or should know that, so free speech protections don't apply. Secondly, I don't see any evidence that he passes the WP:PROF test, either by citations in an index, or reaching a distinguished or full professorship. Finally, the burden is now on the defenders of an article that a living person has gotten significant coverage in reliable and independent sources, which I do not see here. Bearian (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete. The claims made earlier that his publication record is strong are inappropriate -- his h-factor is moderate but not notable. None of his awards are major. He definitely does not pass WP:NPROF; it is not a close call, he is far below the bar. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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