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Category:Nazis who committed suicide in Berlin[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Where they committed suicide is not defining. Rathfelder (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. The place of suicide is relevant to mention in the articles but it does not define the person. Note that more branches of this tree may be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The categories reflect the location of death, which helps with the category tree of Category:Deaths by location.
  • WP:OCLOCATION. The death categories are just meant to distinguish by cause of death and they are intersected by country in order to avoid they become too big. Intersecting at city level is certainly not helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Unnecessary intersection, not really necessary for diffusion. Note that place of death does not even relate to a specific event (e.g. the fall of Hitler's bunker) but could gather unrelated events very far away in time. Being dead in Flensburg or Lüneburg can be due to purely anecdotal reasons, not linked to the fact of being a nazi. Place Clichy (talk) 20:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither cause not place of death are defining for most articles. Rathfelder (talk) 08:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom; the Germany category isn't so full to divvy up by city. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Better to have these all subcategories added to a country specific category. --Yoonadue (talk) 01:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dead by Daylight characters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: None of these characters were created for the game. They're just gueststars, which makes it non-defining. ★Trekker (talk) 18:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Types of populated places[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep Timrollpickering (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are the same categories only differently named (type of <CATEGORY> = <CATEGORY> by type). Kazkaskazkasako (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, one category should contain types, the other category should contain actual places (organized by type). Some articles and subcategories should be moved from one category to the other though. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per Marcocapelle, the first is a set category for articles on various types of populated places, and the 2nd is, or should be, a container category including a subcat scheme for Category:Populated places. Neither should be a subcat of the other. Oculi (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Marcocapelle and Oculi. One is a topic category, the other is a set category. The nominator Kazkaskazkasako could have saved everyone some time by simply looking at the contents of both categories before nominating. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moved types of ... to Category:Populated places by type Kazkaskazkasako (talk) 08:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose one cat is about the types, the other is about places that fit in each type. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hebrew-language names[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 7#Category:Hebrew-language names

Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match Category:iPad and Category:iPod. Please also add the merged category under Category:Apple Inc. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 10:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers of the Kingdom of Kongo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. Article Manikongo starts by: "The Manikongo or Mwene Kongo was the title of the ruler of the Kingdom of Kongo". List of rulers of Kongo is introduced by: "This is a list of the rulers of the Kingdom of Kongo known commonly as the Manikongos". Reverse merge is also an option. Place Clichy (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse merge to the earlier creation. Wikipedia should defer to local usage, where feasible. (I met the Oloffa of Offa once. Now that is a splendid title, well worthy of an article.) Oculi (talk) 09:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Oculi: following your rationale, local title Manikongo (well, actually a Portuguese term) is the earlier creation. Then why would you suggest a reverse merge? Place Clichy (talk) 12:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fort Boykin, Virginia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: No action. Both categories redlinked, cannot merge. (non-admin closure) buidhe 09:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merger of Commons categories under C2D for consistency with article name. RobDuch (talk·contribs) 07:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Municipal City Heads (gorodskoy golova) of Moscow[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, in the articles the word "mayor" is used so there is little reason to keep the articles of this category apart from those in Category:Mayors of Moscow. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moscow had only 3 mayors (in Russian: мэр - mer) in 1991-2020. Obviously articles use the word "mayor" for simplification. The post established by Empress Catherine II in 1767 and the post of the head of a subject of the Russian Federation are different offices. TarzanASG (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • What exactly is the difference, why aren't they mayors? Isn't "Municipal City Head" a perfect description of the function of mayor? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Debresser: there is a difference: governors-general of Moscow are the heads of the country subdivision Moscow Governorate. In contrast, the articles in this category are the heads of the municipality of Moscow. Btw I agree that the articles are lacking information about it but I am not confident enough about this to purge these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If that is so, then they should be in a separate section of Mayor of Moscow. But for some reason, only Vadim Rudnev is in that list article, and he is listed as governor-general. Perhaps we need an expert on Moscow history to have a look at this. Debresser (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Country data templates of other entities[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 09:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCMISC. The two current country data templates should be moved to a new category for United Nations General Assembly observers. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe rename it to something like Category:Country data templates of non-state entities or "...of sovereign entities"? That seems more characteristic than the two entities' UN observership. SiBr4 (talk) 21:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: It looks like a rename rather than a delete is being discussed. Would like to see some discussion about what target name would be best.
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  • Delete per nom. Merging is not necessary, both templates are already part of a country category (of Vatican City and of Italy). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:First Secretaries of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 9#Category:First Secretaries of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU

Category:Albums produced by Andrew Watt (musician)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Andrew Watt is primarily know as a record producer and his bio page is know known as such. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 19:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy rename to match parent. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment can't we just drop the parenthetical, as none of the other Andrew Watt biographies has produced an album nor are likely to. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wondered this too @Carlossuarez46: but I believe categories are matched to the main bio article name where there is one. → Lil-℧niquԐ1 - (Talk) - 20:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If confusion would otherwise result, yes. Where there is no possibility of that, I don't think that's a rule. See the subcategories of Category:Mercury (element), which don't include the parenthetical, but the planet and the god don't have compounds, poisoning, isotopes, or whatever elements tend to have. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Speedy rename to match parent. This is WP:C2C, supported time after time (rather than scrutinising every Andrew Watt, past, present and future, to see whether ambiguities are caused). Follow the article - it's an easy concept. Oculi (talk) 10:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy rename to match the main article. --Yoonadue (talk) 08:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Video game series[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No outstanding opposition has emerged regarding the proposed renames. bibliomaniac15 05:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename for clarity. These were opposed by Zxcvbnm on the Speedy page because he would only accept renaming to the short titles with no qualifier at all, but the main titles are ambiguous – see F.E.A.R. (disambiguation) and White Knight Chronicles which is only about the first gamein its series. – Fayenatic London 21:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of speedy discussion
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Category:YouTube music videos[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: What makes a music video a YouTube music video that being available on YouTube becomes a defining aspect of the song? Number of views? Exclusivity? Or simply because it was uploaded onto the artist's YouTube channel? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. Hardly defining for every release in the past 20 years plus. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:South Delhi Residential Colony[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 05:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Covered by Category:Assembly constituencies of Delhi? Fuddle (talk) 23:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sturt Football Club Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD and WP:OVERLAPCAT
We don't have an article on the Sturt Football Club Hall of Fame , the Sturt Football Club makes no mention of it, and only 8 of the 25 articles in the category even mention it so it's clearly not defining. (In contrast, the Australian Football Hall of Fame, if received, is clearly defining to those players.) If anyone wants to create a list/main article, I listed the current category contents right here so no work is lost. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New England Auto Racers Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The New England Antique Racers vintage car club has about 350-400 members and created the New England Auto Racers Hall of Fame in 1998. The inductees have a variety of racing experiences (demolition derby, NASCAR, Formula One, Indy 500) but all are from or otherwise tied to New England. In the articles, the award is generally mentioned in passing (often with other halls of fame) so it doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here within the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD
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