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Category:General Superintendents of the Chicago Police Department (1975–1927)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: has already been renamed (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: typo in title SecretName101 (talk) 23:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The target now also has been deleted, apparently per WP:G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the Fugger family[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 04:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In line with other family categories. Rathfelder (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - people should not generally be in topic categories so this seems a good idea (rather like musician categories such as Category:the Rolling Stones members). Oculi (talk) 23:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Family categories are generally people categories and that's true of the target here which only contains the main article, Fugger family, so this nomination complies with WP:SEPARATE. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except it contains a whole subcat of buildings, which are not people and don't belong in a people category. The problem with topic categories such as Category:Fugger family is that anyone or anything vaguely connected with the family can be added, whereas Category:Members of the Fugger family has clearer inclusion criteria. Oculi (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Oculi: Are you thinking we have a minimum of 2 categories for each family or would you favor starting to rename them in general if they contain people? (Your concerns seem hypothetical for this family given the subcat for buildings maintains WP:SEPARATE for now although the potential you described is there.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are thousands of family categories, almost all named Somename Family. If we follow Oculi's logic they all need renaming. Usually they contain biographies, but a sizeable minority have articles or subcategories for associated subjects. Rathfelder (talk) 12:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Family categories are the ones whiuch include biographical articles on members. Dimadick (talk) 16:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge unnecessary level of categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge -- No need for the members to be separate. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Parliament Private Secretary to the Cabinet Office[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate. PoliceSheep99 (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/delete. Appears to have been emptied. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete -- An unnecessary duplicate. "Parliamentary" is the correct one. However, I am dubious whether we should have categories for PPS. This is an unpaid post with no power, given to an MP so that he (she) can get a foot on the ministerial ladder. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:56, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Saar people in sports[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 9#Category:Saar people in sports

Category:Book disambiguation pages[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Anyone want to populate this? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Such categories should be applied through the disambiguation template, and are limited to only a few very common cases. I would expect book titles common enough to need disambiguation to be few and far between. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Though I shall support creating a hidden category for tracking such pages. Orientls (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Musicals by John Barry[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 8#Category:Musicals by John Barry

Category:Musicals by Don Black[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 04:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Don Black (lyricist). Fuddle (talk) 17:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Indian direct to OTT releases[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:40, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The purpose of this is already served by Category:Indian direct-to-video films. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • At present, both members are in the target category, so this could just be deleted, but merge in case any more members are added before closure. (This also results in a clearer record in the deletion log). – Fayenatic London 21:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Negro World contributors[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 21:39, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the Category:Newspaper people tree. User:Namiba 13:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Grackles[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 10:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Note: the Grackle page is a SIA (functionally a dab page). An indication that this is sharedname is that there's no corresponding categories in non-English wikipedias.  Example somewhat similar discussion: Buntings DexDor (talk) 13:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Businesspeople in shipbuilding[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 02:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not a useful distinction. Only 3 articles. Rathfelder (talk) 12:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OPPOSE
SHIPBUILDING == The physical process of CONSTRUCTING ships and other floating vessels.
SHIPPING == The physical process of TRANSPORTING commodities and merchandise goods and cargo.
Owning a ship, is nothing whatsoever to do with shipbuilding.
The fact that some individual business people's pages, (in all 3 categories)
have been totally inappropriately categorised, (probably by non-english speakers)
is NOT a justifiable reason to merge TOTALLY UNRELATED CATEGORIES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.2.65 (talkcontribs) 16:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, after these revisions I also agree with deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The three people appear to be executives of shipbuilding companies. Instead just merge to Category:Shipbuilders, which may need its headnote changing to reflect the inclusion of such executives. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Christianity in the medieval Islamic world[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 9#Christianity in the medieval Islamic world

Christians of medieval Islam[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 9#Christians of medieval Islam

Category:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Slovenia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 07:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match parent article First Lady of Slovenia, none of them have been male Joseph2302 (talk) 07:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:International Gymnastics Hall of Fame inductees[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD)
The International Gymnastics Hall of Fame isn't officially an Olympic hall of fame but it sure looks like one in practice: 75 of the 80 articles in this category are already somewhere under Category:Olympic gymnasts. The remaining 5 articles (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) are already well categorized and even most of those have other Olympic connections. Being in the Olympics for gymnastics is definitely defining but getting this award later for the same earlier effort is not remotely defining for Natalia Yurchenko, Mary Lou Retton, or Nadia Comăneci. We already have the winners listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Impact Hall of Fame[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 04:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
The Impact Wrestling promotion has a segment on Impact! (TV series) and Slammiversary pay-per-view where they induct wrestlers into the Impact Hall of Fame. The challenge with league specific HOFs is that they are usually more promotional than a bona fide award. In the articles, the induction is typically mentioned along with other halls of fame so it doesn't seem defining. (A lot of these articles have overly long intros which include that block of awards like here and here.) The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. -RD

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