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February 12[edit]

Category:Israeli people of Soviet-Jewish descent[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:50, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm happy if a better term that USSR is provided for a new category name, however "Soviet" is the taking of one word from USSR, and appears pejorative. In 2023 we can do better than that 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: I am equally happy with delete as an outcome of this proposal 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:34, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — Soviet descent is not a thing. Second of yet another long process of descent deletions.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, articles are already in Russian-Jewish, Ukrainian-Jewish etc categories (if anything is stated about descent at all). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disperse to containerise -- Ultimately delete -- USSR is a defunct country. I suspect that most emigration took place in the period after it was dissolved. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of Soviet descent[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Empty category, following various removals recently, "Soviet" seems a term that fails in 2023. I'm happy if there is a proposal for a better term 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Soviet descent is not a thing. There were undeniably Soviet nationals and some (not all) of them are primarily defined as such by reliable sources rather than, e.g., Russian or Armenian. However, people descending from Soviet emigrants will nearly always define themselves by their national origin (or plurality thereof) rather than their fore-bearer's citizenship in transnational Soviet Union. This logic can be extended to all national subcategories in Category:People of Soviet descent, which are all empty except the Soviet emigrants categories Place Clichy (talk) 23:55, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This category has already been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete empty category, Soviet descent is not a thing. Start of yet another long process of descent deletions.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- USSR was Union of SSRs, and people had an internal nationality as Russian, Turkmen, Tartar, etc. We should discourage this use of defunct country. However I would not welcome a long campaign of removing descent categories, as a lot of work has been done on rationalising these in the past. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Presidents of provinces of Italy[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all of these categories only contain 1-3 articles. Two categories contains 4 articles, Milan contains 5 articles. Many provinces do not have a category in this tree at all. Note that provinces are the 2nd level administrative divisions of Italy, not 1st level. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Consider that provinces were 1st level subdivisions from 1861 to 1970 and provincial presidents are notable.--Alienautic (talk) 20:31, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Per above reason by Alienautic. We forget sometimes that one size doesn't fit all for each country's political systems. Italian Wikipedia specifically has categories for each, and I would err on the side of native speakers who understand Italian state and provincial politics, rather than mass mergers or deletions. Scanlan (talk) 14:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- If the Italian WP can manage 5 articles per category, the English WP ought to be able to await translations being uploaded to it. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brainships[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:Brainships

Category:Fictional motherships[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, there is only one actual article in the category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pakistani scholars of Islam[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename & reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, and reparent to Category:Muslim scholars of Islam by nationality‎. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename and re-parent as nominated. Although I question whether Muslim, Sunni Muslim, etc. have any special knowledege of Islam, that would be another discussion.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:04, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional detectives[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:Fictional detectives

Category:American musicians of Caribbean descent[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:American musicians of Caribbean descent

Category:Sportspeople of Caribbean descent[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:Sportspeople of Caribbean descent

Category:Sportspeople of European descent[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:08, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.
Summary: There's no rhyme nor reason for this convoluted tree, entangled with others, very few articles. Continuing removals after categories were emptied by previous discussions.
Followup to:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#Category:American sportspeople of European descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 26#Category:European sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Answer — these are all "of European descent"; thus do not match any part of this query, nor speculation about unrelated rationale.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll take that as a convoluted 'no'. In that case, is there any intention to do something about Category:People of European descent, which contains all the above and is presumably also often 'understood as a proxy for race'? Oculi (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. These intersections of occupation and regional descent are not eligible per WP:OCEGRS. Also, they are often used and understood as a proxy for race, which are prohibitid by WP:ETHNICRACECAT. Categorization by national origin is widely sufficient to convey the notion, provided individuals are actually defined as such by reliable sources. Place Clichy (talk) 23:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, occupation and descent is a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- most of these contain nothing but an Italian subcategory. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:10, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT in Oman[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:09, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT that is a near-miss WP:C2F, containing only LGBT rights in Oman. The merge target is the only one that does not already contain the article either directly or in a subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the one hand this is a clear case of the "smallcat exception rule" (part of a large established tree, Category:LGBT by country), on the other hand one might question if this should be a large established tree as there are so many subcategories with only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would share Marco's misgivings. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, as the article is already in other relevant parents e.g. via LGBT rights by country. – Fayenatic London 14:10, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Drugs in Oman[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:Drugs in Oman

Category:Baroque architecture in the Ottoman Empire[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. Withdrawn by nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article, but move the article Cathedral of the Holy Spirit to Category:Buildings and structures of the Ottoman Empire. The subcategory and article are already in the Baroque buildings tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:40, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am withdrawing this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per comments, improvements, and the withdrawal of the nomination. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rulers[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 25#Category:Rulers

Category:Rabbis from Prague[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:14, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: for obvious reasons. -- -- -- 21:10, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Category:Rabbis from Prague parent is Category:Jews and Judaism in Prague.
  2. Category:Rabbis of Prague parent is Category:Rabbis by city where most are "from", only 2 "of", and 1 "in".
  3. Both are Category:Clergy from Prague, but the only other subcategory is Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Prague. No consistency.
  4. We've been using "in" most recently, see Category:Rabbis in Israel by city and its many subcategories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as nominated, for consistency. Most siblings use "from", whereas cities in Israel use "in". In addition, "of" suggests a title or suggests heading the whole territory (heading the whole city of Prague, in this case) which is not necessarily correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am supporting reverse merge or your alternative above. Sorry that was not quite clear. Ultimately a batch nomination should follow. Honestly I think "in" might be better for any occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all suggestions = a rabbi from Prague is a rabbi of anywhere who was from Prague; Rabbi of Prague is a position (according to the articles); a rabbi in Prague would be a 3rd category. Oculi (talk) 10:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, a rabbi of anywhere who was from Prague would be in an immigrant category, not this category. The "of" categories are supposedly for cases where there is only 1 at a time: archbishops, not clergy. It's all getting annoyingly inconsistent.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 23:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - these are 2 separate categories. As Oculi said, Rabbis from Prague are rabbis who were born in Prague. Rabbis of Prague could be from anywhere. I think "Chief Rabbi of Prague" would be a subcategory of Rabbis of Prague. Rlendog (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:30, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bronze Age literature[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:13, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DEFINING, WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION, WP:SMALLCAT - all of the entries here already belong in Category:Ancient Near East literature and all but two of them (Ugaritic, Hittite) continued into the Iron age. Category:Ancient Near East literature can be categorized under Category:Iron Age and Category:Bronze Age to fix the category tree. - car chasm (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, trivial intersection. In addition it is not a good idea to categorize Category:Ancient Near East literature under Category:Iron Age and Category:Bronze Age because it is not a subset of any of the two. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak keep yes there is overlap, but ANE literature notably combines Bronze Age and Iron Age literature, and a category that covers half of another major category is hardly "overcategorization". There are also minor exceptions that belong in the Bronze Age but not the ANE category, mostly Rigveda and ancient China. But note that there are major subcategories that are Iron Age and not ANE (China, India, Greece, Rome, early Germanic). I understand the impetus to reduce excessive category cruft, but this noble impulse is overshooting its mark in this particular case imho. --dab (𒁳) 08:48, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selective merge to Category:Ancient Near East literature. The Bronze Age did not exclusively occur in the Near East. Do not re-categorize Category:Ancient Near East literature under Category:Iron Age and Category:Bronze Age, that's not the purpose of those categories.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- It is not usual to categorise civilisations of Near East or Asia generally as to whether they had or had not begun to use iron. It is probably better to categorise it by millennium - 1st M BC and pre-1000 BC. There were probably not enough literate civilisations to need any geographic split. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:00, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The rationale is nonsensical. Mentioning a silly page on overcategorization does not p[rove that there is overcategorization, or that it is at all relevant to this category. And Wikipediua has a chroniuc problem with undercategorization. Dimadick (talk) 15:37, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete/Selective Merge per WAS. The level of metallurgy doesn't seem defining here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pennsylvania state historical marker significations[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 21#Category:Pennsylvania state historical marker significations

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