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February 13[edit]

Category:Belgian independence activists[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Independence activists of the Brabant Revolution. – Fayenatic London 11:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per parent Category:People of the Brabant Revolution and to avoid confusion with the much later actual independence in 1830. I haven't listed this for speedy renaming for in case someone has a better alternative for "Belgian". Marcocapelle (talk) 22:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Musicals about writers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles in the category. Merging is not applicable, the articles are already in other subcats of the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Socialist rulers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (merge Category:Ba'athists). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative:
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT. Category:Rulers is currently a child of Category:Sovereignty suggesting that "rulers" are sovereign. Some are not rulers, they were elected. Some are not socialists, or are distingished as communists. Most are in parallel related categories, not aid to navigation.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JayCoop and Fayenatic london: 2018 discussion at Speedy.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Politicians and rulers should be categorized by actual regime rather than catch-all terms like socialist which cover too many different things. In turn, if supported by reliable sources, the regime may be placed in an appropriate socialism category. Place Clichy (talk) 11:53, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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People depicted in music[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep Julius Caesar and Cleopatra, rename others to match. For the record, this outcome also fits with retaining "Cultural depictions" at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_11#Cultural_depictions.
The renamings are:
– Fayenatic London 11:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Nominator's rationale: rename and standardize all.
Option 1: "X in music" (which I slightly prefer for brevity).
Option 2: "Depictions of X in music".
Option 3: "Portrayals of X in music".
Option 4: "X music" (perhaps the worst option because it may suggest music by X).
Option 5: "Music about X" (matching "Songs about X" and "Films about X" but with music it sounds a bit strange to me). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@StarTrekker and Armbrust: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Depictions of _ in music mirrors other depiction categories.★Trekker (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Depictions of... seems logical and helpful, although (and I realize that this is not a deletion discussion) I note that "Spartacus" is a very small category, with just three items, all unrelated to each other, and one of them does not clearly belong (at least, the lengthy article about Spartacus (The Farm album) does not provide any information linking it with the historical Spartacus; the only obvious connection is the name). I suppose the motion picture soundtrack could go in this category, if there were such an article. There is an extensive pop culture section of Spartacus, containing several musical items (only one or two with articles) that aren't part of the category—so I suggest that this particular category needs attention! P Aculeius (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Music about X — WP:C2C matching parent Category:Music about individual people, and recent discussion for "Songs about X" (songs are music) and "Films about X".
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:26, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Depictions of _ in music, per Trekker's suggestion. The scope is clearer that way. Dimadick (talk) 15:49, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Depictions of _ in music IMO it's the best option. Armbrust The Homunculus 17:13, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Polish-Lithuanian office-holders names[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. However, the first nine may be nominated for speedy renaming to lowercase per MOS:JOBTITLE; I am stating this in case anyone checks WhatLinksHere. – Fayenatic London 11:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Bundled nomination for renaming Polish-Lithuanian office-holders names, to make them consistent and shorter. Also I propose "Vice-Chancellor" instead of "Deputy Chancellor" as the one used by WP:RS Marcelus (talk) 17:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong agree. WP:Conciseness is key and it is handier and better to just use "Lithuanian" instead of the more wordy "... of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania" or "Grand Ducal Lithuanian ...". Cukrakalnis (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this concise solution. Category names are best when kept short. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - there is a complete loss of clarity. Category:Lithuanian Vice-Chancellors would be a collection of (mis-capitalised) university leaders. C2D - follow the article, such as Hetmans of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. C2C: follow the names in the category tree, which is Category:Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Oculi (talk) 13:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's very anglo-centric view, because in Lithuania university leaders are called rectors or prorectors. Titles of chancellors and vice-chancellors function in many dfferent types of institutions, political, educational, religious, masonic etc. But "Lithuanian Vice-Chancellor" can only mean vicecancellarius, leader of the lesser chancellery of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Marcelus (talk) 15:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - there is a complete loss of clarity. The Grand Duchy and the Commonwealth were completely different entities. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you elaborate? They weren't "completely" different one was part of the other, and officials of the GDL were also officials of PLC Marcelus (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    They were different states. You start with two states (the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania). You end with one state - the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Obfuscation of these facts should be avoided. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:01, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's much complicated than that; Kingdom of Poland and GDL formed one state -> PLC, but didn't cease to exist on their own. For examples offices were separate (there was Polish Grand Hetman and Lithuanian Grand Hetman etc.). It's not "obfuscation" but acknowleding the fact that reality is much more complex, and the premodern states functioned on different basis than moder ones. Marcelus (talk) 13:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That all sounds like a good reason to keep the current names. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support, if none of these offices exists in modern Lithuania then it is not too confusing. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    None of these positions (hetmans, grand chancellors, grand treasurers and the rest) exist in modern Lithuania, so it would not be confusing. Cukrakalnis (talk) 14:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — WP:C2C and WP:C2D. Misusing Lithuanian demonym for nationality. Checking the articles, roughly half of these persons were not Lithuanian and should not be miscategorized as such. For example, "Field Hetman" Hrehory Chodkiewicz was Ruthenian, and should not be miscategorized under Category:Lithuanian Field Hetmans. Duchy and Commonwealth are not the same, any more than Republic and Empire are the same. Use the well-known and documented names. Full names prevent editors from accidental confusion that requires cleanup. Cleanup is tedious and time consuming.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Lithuanian Field Hetman" was literally his title, that are well documented. Also he was Lithuanian because he lived in the Lithuanian state. Marcelus (talk) 09:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also those Poles, Ruthenians, and Ukrainians became (Little) Russians after they were conquered by the Russian Empire.[sarcasm] The Ukrainians themselves seem to have a different view, and seem willing to die for it. Note that we don't categorize Greeks or Egyptians or Britains as Romans after they were conquered either. That's why we have these detailed suffix standards. Keep them.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tagged categories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:09, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm confused as Category:Ambassadors of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was tagged for this CFD but a) the category was just created today and immediately tagged for CFD deletion (so why create it?), b) I don't see it listed here and c) the category is empty. I don't know why this category was created just in order to nominate it for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Okay, I appreciate the explanation. Liz Read! Talk! 01:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support generally -- I do not think the objection to vice-chancellor is sound: the British use of the term is very much as local one, due to the Chancellor of universities having become a figurehead position. I do not think LL's objection that Lithuania and Poland-Lithuania are distinct has any merit: one succeeded the other, so that it is quite likely that there was a continuous succession where an office operated only in Lithuania. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:AC using state parameter[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Categories emptied. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:21, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Full name of the template and consistent with Category:Pages using authority control with parameters and Category:Pages with authority control identifiers needing attention. Gonnym (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All these are unneeded and in the process of being emptied and deleted. No point renaming at this stage. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Category:AC using state parameter: expanded has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:43, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. They are tracking categories, and liable to be populated again if someone reverts a page or uses the parameter in these ways. If the categories were deleted and later re-created, that would lose the page history and the interwiki connections. – Fayenatic London 08:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    They will never be used again. The template has been changed so it will not populate these — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Now Category:AC using state parameter: collapsed has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:31, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, delete. They are all now empty, and the code that generated them has been removed rather than renaming the categories.[1] – Fayenatic London 11:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Basketball venues in Indonesia by city[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 10:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer for one city. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:15, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kabaddi venues by country[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 22:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer for one country. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Biographical works[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 10:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename aligning with parent categories Category:Biographical works and Category:Biographies (books), and to clarify that these are container categories ("by"). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Black comedy video games[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: In-keeping with Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 6#Category:Comedy video games, "comedy" is not a widely used theme or genre applied to video games. "Black comedy", as well, is an original research distinction, without common mention in reliable sources, and is not a "defining" characteristic in all articles I spotchecked within this category. Pinging prior participants @Hellknowz, The1337gamer, Gamingforfun365, and Martin IIIa czar 04:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Manitoba radio station stubs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 22:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category with no record of approval by WikiProject Stub Sorting. As always, stub categories have a much, much higher price for creation than regular content categories do, and are not justified until there are at least 60 articles to file in them -- much below that, a stub template is only allowed to sort its entries into parent categories, like the proposed targets, rather than getting its own dedicated stub category. And for that very reason, stub categories have to be approved by the wikiproject, and are not free for just any editor to create at their own whim. So {{Manitoba-radio-station-stub}} should just go back to sorting its entries in the same categories it did until this got created in 2021, because there just aren't the numbers to justify a standalone category here. Bearcat (talk) 00:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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